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Chitown,
If you think Pierzynski is a "hell of a catcher", Konerko's career compares favorably to Lee's (clubhouse personality or stats wise), and the Cubs starting rotation is a problem, then you clearly don't know much of anything about baseball. You really shouldn't be calling Cubs fans out when you are not knowledgeable yourself.
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Please no.
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Please no.
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Of all people, I thought you'd be in favor of that.
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It's funny that he suggest we change our name when his team is not only named after something I wear on my feet, but it's spelled wrong on top of that. In a fight, I'll take one baby bear over a whole drawer full of socks anyday.
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If you think Pierzynski is a "hell of a catcher", Konerko's career compares favorably to Lee's (clubhouse personality or stats wise), and the Cubs starting rotation is a problem, then you clearly don't know much of anything about baseball. You really shouldn't be calling Cubs fans out when you are not knowledgeable yourself.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Many Cub fans are knowledgeable. I am just saying you are blinded by loyalty to a franchise that knows you will come back to Wrigley Field no matter what the product.
Stats wise Konerko compares very favorably with Lee. Either one is a good choice, I meant PK has more field presence, but that was an opinion, I'm not dissing Lee.
Check out their 162 game averages. Lee better BA, more BB, more SO, better OBP
Konerko more RBI, more HR, fewer SO, fewer BB. That comparison makes me "not knowledgeable"?
Lee
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...ede02-bat.shtml
Konerko
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...rpa01-bat.shtml
And since when was the Giants clubhouse the standard for the industry?
One websites opinion on catchers follows. I am sure you have your opinion too, but it's not like I was out in left field saying he was a good catcher and an asset to the team. Whatever you think of TV announcers I have heard them say th esame thing about AJ.
http://thedugoutdoctors.com/2010/04/power-...s-mlb-catchers/
14. Geovany Soto (Chicago Cubs) – Here’s hoping the slim fast diet worked for him. Fat and lazy could be words used to describe Geovany Soto’s sophomore season. The rookie of the year in 2008 is certainly hoping to rebound. But even in the wake of a dismal season he retains a career OBP near .350 and a slugging percentage in the upper 400’s.
6. A.J Pierzynski(Chicago White Sox) – The guy everyone loves to hate is good at his job. He’s a career .286 hitter, calls a great game, and averages 70 plus RBI’s a season. Sure, his only downfall is he couldn’t throw out your grandma going to second, but he’s also got some of the best baseball instincts for his position.
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Does anyone actually buy that this guy was a Cubs fan? It's total bullshit. I vote we shitcan him.
I'm 100% fine with this. I'm just glad there's an actual plan in place that isn't, "Let's load up on retreads and hope we get lucky." I'm a little tired of that plan.
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<!--quoteo(post=103138:date=Jun 26 2010, 06:35 PM:name=Chitown)-->QUOTE (Chitown @ Jun 26 2010, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=103110:date=Jun 26 2010, 02:46 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Jun 26 2010, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Chitown,
If you think Pierzynski is a "hell of a catcher", Konerko's career compares favorably to Lee's (clubhouse personality or stats wise), and the Cubs starting rotation is a problem, then you clearly don't know much of anything about baseball. You really shouldn't be calling Cubs fans out when you are not knowledgeable yourself.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Many Cub fans are knowledgeable. I am just saying you are blinded by loyalty to a franchise that knows you will come back to Wrigley Field no matter what the product.
Stats wise Konerko compares very favorably with Lee. Either one is a good choice, I meant PK has more field presence, but that was an opinion, I'm not dissing Lee.
Check out their 162 game averages. Lee better BA, more BB, more SO, better OBP
Konerko more RBI, more HR, fewer SO, fewer BB. That comparison makes me "not knowledgeable"?
Lee
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...ede02-bat.shtml
Konerko
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...rpa01-bat.shtml
And since when was the Giants clubhouse the standard for the industry?
One websites opinion on catchers follows. I am sure you have your opinion too, but it's not like I was out in left field saying he was a good catcher and an asset to the team. Whatever you think of TV announcers I have heard them say th esame thing about AJ.
http://thedugoutdoctors.com/2010/04/power-...s-mlb-catchers/
14. Geovany Soto (Chicago Cubs) – Here’s hoping the slim fast diet worked for him. Fat and lazy could be words used to describe Geovany Soto’s sophomore season. The rookie of the year in 2008 is certainly hoping to rebound. But even in the wake of a dismal season he retains a career OBP near .350 and a slugging percentage in the upper 400’s.
6. A.J Pierzynski(Chicago White Sox) – The guy everyone loves to hate is good at his job. He’s a career .286 hitter, calls a great game, and averages 70 plus RBI’s a season. Sure, his only downfall is he couldn’t throw out your grandma going to second, but he’s also got some of the best baseball instincts for his position.
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Didn't you say goodbye, earlier?
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<!--quoteo(post=103139:date=Jun 26 2010, 06:43 PM:name=Lance)-->QUOTE (Lance @ Jun 26 2010, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Does anyone actually buy that this guy was a Cubs fan? It's total bullshit. I vote we shitcan him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who cares if it's true or not?
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<!--quoteo(post=103141:date=Jun 26 2010, 07:47 PM:name=jstraw)-->QUOTE (jstraw @ Jun 26 2010, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=103139:date=Jun 26 2010, 06:43 PM:name=Lance)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lance @ Jun 26 2010, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Does anyone actually buy that this guy was a Cubs fan? It's total bullshit. I vote we shitcan him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who cares if it's true or not?
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Every single Sox fan who has posted on this site has begun with a lie. I know you haven't been here since the beginning, but it's a familiar pattern and, in my opinion, one which we don't need replayed right now.
I'm 100% fine with this. I'm just glad there's an actual plan in place that isn't, "Let's load up on retreads and hope we get lucky." I'm a little tired of that plan.
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It always fascinates me when people visit sites of teams they clearly don't like and try to pass themselves off as an unbiased, random observer. What do you get out of it? I don't get it. No one here cares what you say. No one here agrees with you. You don't come off as knowledgable, you come off as the troll you are. Like anyone here gives a shit what some random Sox fan thinks or even cares to have an actual baseball discussion with you. It's clear you're only here to try to claim superiority and spread your obviously vast knowledge of everything baseball. If you want to troll Cubs messageboards, go find another one, you're not wanted here and nothing you say will every be taken with any sort of seriousness.
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http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/mlb/ne...id=5331982
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec--> Cubs pitcher Carlos Zambrano will return to the bullpen following his suspension for Friday's tirade at U.S. Cellular Field. Tom Gorzelanny will return to the starting rotation.
"[Zambrano's stay in the bullpen] is not short term, that's for sure," Cubs manager Lou Piniella said before Saturday's game against the Chicago White Sox. "We don't know how long [the suspension] will be. I guess it will be cleared up the following week."
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"Is it a relationship that can be repaired with the team? I definitely believe so," Ted Lilly said.
Alfonso Soriano said he planned to call Zambrano to "see how he's doing." A year ago, Soriano had strong words for Milton Bradley after he got sent home by Piniella following an outburst in the dugout at U.S. Cellular Field, but he called this "a totally different situation."
"When Milton did it, he'd been doing it the whole year -- getting upset for nothing," Soriano said.
The Cubs called a team meeting to address the Zambrano situation and other topics before Saturday's game.
"It's a time I felt we needed to talk about some things," Piniella said. "We had a very open discussion where players got involved. I'm not going to divulge what we talked about, but one of the things we did was the fallout from yesterday."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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<!--quoteo(post=103143:date=Jun 26 2010, 06:56 PM:name=Lance)-->QUOTE (Lance @ Jun 26 2010, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=103141:date=Jun 26 2010, 07:47 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Jun 26 2010, 07:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=103139:date=Jun 26 2010, 06:43 PM:name=Lance)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Lance @ Jun 26 2010, 06:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Does anyone actually buy that this guy was a Cubs fan? It's total bullshit. I vote we shitcan him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Who cares if it's true or not?
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Every single Sox fan who has posted on this site has begun with a lie. I know you haven't been here since the beginning, but it's a familiar pattern and, in my opinion, one which we don't need replayed right now.
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I understand. I'm just asking...what difference does it make if he used to be a Cubs fan or not? Fuck him. He's a troll. Ban him.
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<!--quoteo(post=103138:date=Jun 26 2010, 06:35 PM:name=Chitown)-->QUOTE (Chitown @ Jun 26 2010, 06:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><b>Stats wise Konerko compares very favorably with Lee.</b> Either one is a good choice, I meant PK has more field presence, but that was an opinion, I'm not dissing Lee.
Check out their 162 game averages. Lee better BA, more BB, more SO, better OBP
Konerko more RBI, more HR, fewer SO, fewer BB. That comparison makes me "not knowledgeable"?
Lee
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...ede02-bat.shtml
Konerko
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...rpa01-bat.shtml<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
The bolded statement does in fact make you "not knowledgeable". Key word is favorably. To say that Lee should live up to Konerko in any way, shape, or form is laughable. If you want to argue who the better player is, that could be a very interesting argument that would have good points on both side of the argument. If you wanted to say that you feel Konerko is better, I don't think there's anything wrong with having that opinion. But to say Konerko compares favorably or that Lee should be more like him is idiotic. The stat comparisons you made doesn't show Konerko in a favorable light. You even stated in this post that they each have a slight advantage in different stats. That shows me that neither has an advantage in stats over the other. They are peers.
Also, you're leaving out the facts that Lee has played his entire career in the NL, has won three golden gloves, and finished in the top ten in MVP voting twice. Konerko has spent 10% of his career as a DH, has zero gold gloves, and finished once in the top ten for MVP voting.
If you honestly meant that Konerko has better field presence than Lee, you'll just have to explain to me your definition of field presence. I have no idea how you are quantifying it and why you seem to think Konerko has such a clear advantage over Lee so that Derrek should be asking him for pointers.
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->And since when was the Giants clubhouse the standard for the industry?
One websites opinion on catchers follows. I am sure you have your opinion too, but it's not like I was out in left field saying he was a good catcher and an asset to the team. Whatever you think of TV announcers I have heard them say th esame thing about AJ.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I made the comments based on your original post that read "... but he's a helluva catcher, has a reasonable to good bat...". To me, since you stated that he was both a helluva catcher and a reasonable to good bat, I thought you were evaluating his ability defensively as a catcher separate from his offensive capabilities. If that's the case, your statement again shows your baseball ignorance seeing as he's well below average defensively. If you were including his offensive capabilities in your "helluva catcher" comment... I would only suggest you structure your points more cohesively.
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec--> http://thedugoutdoctors.com/2010/04/power-...s-mlb-catchers/
14. Geovany Soto (Chicago Cubs) – Here’s hoping the slim fast diet worked for him. Fat and lazy could be words used to describe Geovany Soto’s sophomore season. The rookie of the year in 2008 is certainly hoping to rebound. But even in the wake of a dismal season he retains a career OBP near .350 and a slugging percentage in the upper 400’s.
6. A.J Pierzynski(Chicago White Sox) – The guy everyone loves to hate is good at his job. He’s a career .286 hitter, calls a great game, and averages 70 plus RBI’s a season. Sure, his only downfall is he couldn’t throw out your grandma going to second, but he’s also got some of the best baseball instincts for his position.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Awesome. This makes your point in our argument about which catcher is better between Pierzynski and Soto. Let me know when we have that argument.
Better yet, I would ask that you not try to argue baseball here. You're watering down the content with your lack of knowledge.
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Holy shit! I remember when Scarey couldn't spell his name. What happened?
Suck on that Chitown.
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