06-03-2010, 09:30 AM
<!--quoteo(post=99708:date=Jun 3 2010, 08:16 AM:name=Dirk)-->QUOTE (Dirk @ Jun 3 2010, 08:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=99707:date=Jun 3 2010, 09:05 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 3 2010, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=99705:date=Jun 3 2010, 08:01 AM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Jun 3 2010, 08:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=99698:date=Jun 3 2010, 07:48 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 3 2010, 07:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=99576:date=Jun 2 2010, 03:49 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Jun 2 2010, 03:49 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=99568:date=Jun 2 2010, 02:55 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jun 2 2010, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm a grumpy fuck that will jump on anyone that defends my scapegoat? Dude, what the fuck are you talking about? Lou isn't a scapegoat. He sucks. Ramirez sucks, Lee sucks, Hendry sucks, the whole team sucks. I'm not making Lou out to be a scapegoat, but he IS a part of the problem. A big big part. A huge part. Enormous.
The funny thing is, since the season started, I've rarely posted anything about the Cubs, positive or negative. To say I jump on anyone is misguided for anything is misguided. I barely ever even talk about the Cubs anymore.
But i do read, and every time i read anyone say anything negative about this team, you inevitably jump in and defend anyone who's getting ripped. It's a constant, like the river flowing to the sea.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm sorry I called you a grumpy fuck.
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OK, first off, calling me a grumpy fuck was the least of my concerns. I've been called a lot worse, often by my own family.
Second, Lou isn't a scapegoat. That would imply that I'm blaming him for everything that's wrong with the team. I'm not doing that. But seeing as this thread is about Lou, I feel compelled to voice my opinion about him. Had the thread been "Trade Ramirez" or "Fire Hendry", I would have done likewise. Lou isn't the sole reason the Cubs suck, but he is a big part of it. His senile old grandpa act has worn thin.
Third, I was all for the Lou hiring when it went down. Since then, I've been disappointed, much the same way I was with Dusty (who I was also glad we signed at the time). Every year since he was brought on, my disappointed has increased. I'm at the point now where I just wanna see him disappear.
Fourth, if you look at my post, quoted in this post, you'll see a sentence where I used the words "is misguided" twice. One of them doesn't make sense. What happened there? Why did I type those words twice? I did that at school, so drugs weren't a factor. What was I thinking?
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I don't want to really get into it again today, but I just want to make clear what irks me the most which is this: People are complaining because Lou is old, senile, and can't manage anymore at the age of 66 when we all loved him, thought he was doing well, and he even won the manager of the year award when he was 64. It just seems inconsistent to me.
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And I'm not saying he IS old and senile, only that that's the way he appears. And I've always felt this way about him, but when he was winning (in the regular season, not the post season) it didn't bother me as much. Maybe it's because he isn't winning anymore, but the grandpa routine seems worse than it ever was.
My opinion of Lou isn't inconsistent, Lou is inconsistent. that's the problem. And a lot can happen to an old man's mind in two years.
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I don't think Lou is old or senile either. I've always liked the dude and before this year, I would've nutted up if someone suggested firing him. But he's got to go. Like now. You can see it in his eyes and it's nothing short of quiet resignation. He fills out the lineup card, makes pitching changes but mentally, he's in retirement mode. He's burned out or just dumbfounded by the way the Cubs have played. Who knows how that affects the players. If Lee and Ramirez were hitting, he'd probably have a vastly different demeanor. And yeah, he does get too much of the blame and he surely isn't the biggest problem, but he also aint helping much. It sucks, but that's baseball. Sometimes the manager needs to be the sacrificial lamb. Nothing personal, Lou but you need to be fired.
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This sums up my thoughts pretty well except for the part about always liking him. I never warmed up to the idea of Lou managing this team, even through much of the winning, but it had nothing to do with his demeanor. He always appeared to be a hard-ass version of Dusty and nothing more, at least to me anyway.
The funny thing is, since the season started, I've rarely posted anything about the Cubs, positive or negative. To say I jump on anyone is misguided for anything is misguided. I barely ever even talk about the Cubs anymore.
But i do read, and every time i read anyone say anything negative about this team, you inevitably jump in and defend anyone who's getting ripped. It's a constant, like the river flowing to the sea.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm sorry I called you a grumpy fuck.
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OK, first off, calling me a grumpy fuck was the least of my concerns. I've been called a lot worse, often by my own family.
Second, Lou isn't a scapegoat. That would imply that I'm blaming him for everything that's wrong with the team. I'm not doing that. But seeing as this thread is about Lou, I feel compelled to voice my opinion about him. Had the thread been "Trade Ramirez" or "Fire Hendry", I would have done likewise. Lou isn't the sole reason the Cubs suck, but he is a big part of it. His senile old grandpa act has worn thin.
Third, I was all for the Lou hiring when it went down. Since then, I've been disappointed, much the same way I was with Dusty (who I was also glad we signed at the time). Every year since he was brought on, my disappointed has increased. I'm at the point now where I just wanna see him disappear.
Fourth, if you look at my post, quoted in this post, you'll see a sentence where I used the words "is misguided" twice. One of them doesn't make sense. What happened there? Why did I type those words twice? I did that at school, so drugs weren't a factor. What was I thinking?
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I don't want to really get into it again today, but I just want to make clear what irks me the most which is this: People are complaining because Lou is old, senile, and can't manage anymore at the age of 66 when we all loved him, thought he was doing well, and he even won the manager of the year award when he was 64. It just seems inconsistent to me.
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And I'm not saying he IS old and senile, only that that's the way he appears. And I've always felt this way about him, but when he was winning (in the regular season, not the post season) it didn't bother me as much. Maybe it's because he isn't winning anymore, but the grandpa routine seems worse than it ever was.
My opinion of Lou isn't inconsistent, Lou is inconsistent. that's the problem. And a lot can happen to an old man's mind in two years.
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I don't think Lou is old or senile either. I've always liked the dude and before this year, I would've nutted up if someone suggested firing him. But he's got to go. Like now. You can see it in his eyes and it's nothing short of quiet resignation. He fills out the lineup card, makes pitching changes but mentally, he's in retirement mode. He's burned out or just dumbfounded by the way the Cubs have played. Who knows how that affects the players. If Lee and Ramirez were hitting, he'd probably have a vastly different demeanor. And yeah, he does get too much of the blame and he surely isn't the biggest problem, but he also aint helping much. It sucks, but that's baseball. Sometimes the manager needs to be the sacrificial lamb. Nothing personal, Lou but you need to be fired.
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This sums up my thoughts pretty well except for the part about always liking him. I never warmed up to the idea of Lou managing this team, even through much of the winning, but it had nothing to do with his demeanor. He always appeared to be a hard-ass version of Dusty and nothing more, at least to me anyway.