05-20-2010, 02:37 PM
<!--quoteo(post=97331:date=May 20 2010, 01:19 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 20 2010, 01:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97294:date=May 20 2010, 09:19 AM:name=Dirk)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dirk @ May 20 2010, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97211:date=May 19 2010, 09:51 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 19 2010, 09:51 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97204:date=May 19 2010, 08:42 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ May 19 2010, 08:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=97202:date=May 19 2010, 08:35 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ May 19 2010, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I think Hanley's quote about Fredi never playing in MLB was pretty dumb. For the record, no player of Hanley's ability has <i>ever</i> been a great MLB manager. (although Ted Williams was pretty good with hitters).
Almost all of the great ones were scrappers who had to fight for every inch, not pampered superstars with so much natural ability that they could play at 75% and still dominate.
Earl Weaver never played a day in the majors.
John McGraw was actually a good player, but that was over 100 years ago. And Joe Torre was a <i>damn</i> good player. But they're exceptions.
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THIS has always worried me about Ryno as a manager.
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To be honest, what stood out about Ryno was that he approached the game like a scrapper, even though he was immensely talented. So i don't worry about that aspect.
With Ryno, I do worry about his basic philosophies...<i>really</i> old school, as if the past decade of front-office knowledge had never happened.
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Honestly I don't even know that means. Like he makes all of his players wear flannel jerseys and knee-high socks?
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Thinks a bunt in the first inning is a good weapon. That kind of stuff.
Like everyone on this site, Ryno's my man, right or wrong, but ideally, I was hoping for a different kind of skipper.
But honestly, most of a manager's job is to control the clubhouse. I think Ryno's proven in the minors that he's got a pretty solid handle on that. And no player can ever pull the bullshit that Hanley Ramirez pulled on Fredi. How can you pretend you know more about being a star than a guy who's already <i>in the Hall of Fame</i>?
Go Ryno!
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I realize you're exaggerating to suggest that Ryno would throw the book on statistics out the window on go with old fashioned grit and hustle but don't you think it would be more likely that he'd play the percentages, rely on thorough scouting and you know, manage the game pretty much the way just about every other manager does? I'm sure he'd also be a stickler for hustling and playing the game right in the process, but that sounds like a bonus to me.
Almost all of the great ones were scrappers who had to fight for every inch, not pampered superstars with so much natural ability that they could play at 75% and still dominate.
Earl Weaver never played a day in the majors.
John McGraw was actually a good player, but that was over 100 years ago. And Joe Torre was a <i>damn</i> good player. But they're exceptions.
I'm glad management backed Fredi.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
THIS has always worried me about Ryno as a manager.
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To be honest, what stood out about Ryno was that he approached the game like a scrapper, even though he was immensely talented. So i don't worry about that aspect.
With Ryno, I do worry about his basic philosophies...<i>really</i> old school, as if the past decade of front-office knowledge had never happened.
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Honestly I don't even know that means. Like he makes all of his players wear flannel jerseys and knee-high socks?
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Thinks a bunt in the first inning is a good weapon. That kind of stuff.
Like everyone on this site, Ryno's my man, right or wrong, but ideally, I was hoping for a different kind of skipper.
But honestly, most of a manager's job is to control the clubhouse. I think Ryno's proven in the minors that he's got a pretty solid handle on that. And no player can ever pull the bullshit that Hanley Ramirez pulled on Fredi. How can you pretend you know more about being a star than a guy who's already <i>in the Hall of Fame</i>?
Go Ryno!
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I realize you're exaggerating to suggest that Ryno would throw the book on statistics out the window on go with old fashioned grit and hustle but don't you think it would be more likely that he'd play the percentages, rely on thorough scouting and you know, manage the game pretty much the way just about every other manager does? I'm sure he'd also be a stickler for hustling and playing the game right in the process, but that sounds like a bonus to me.