05-04-2010, 03:46 PM
<!--quoteo(post=94672:date=May 4 2010, 02:34 PM:name=Bricklayer)-->QUOTE (Bricklayer @ May 4 2010, 02:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94669:date=May 4 2010, 02:28 PM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ May 4 2010, 02:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=94668:date=May 4 2010, 02:26 PM:name=Bricklayer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Bricklayer @ May 4 2010, 02:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->the tazer is classified as a non-lethal means of subduing someone, it is not excessive it just looks bad because you go down quick. The claim that this was just a stupid non-threatening kid seaking a thrill is bogus because they have no idea what his intentions were until they brought him down. He could have had a knife in his pocket or batteries wrapped up in that towel.
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So if something is non-lethal it can't be excessive?
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Depends on how it is used. If there were multiple tazers being used or continuing to taze the kid after he was brought down that would be excessive. How it was applied in this situation, it was not.
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There is no kind of force that can't be excessive. Whether or not something is excessive has to be judged on the circumstances and relative to harm it's intended to prevent. Pinning a kid to a wall to prevent him from leaving a classroom without permission is excessive force. Putting a chokehold on a citizen who wants to know why he's being asked for his identification is excessive force. It's not that pinning someone to a wall or administering a chokehold are automatically excessive in any and all circumstances. It's the same with tasering. There's no blanket statement that's going to make sense where one taser always is or is not excessive or that five always is or is not.
I don't have a strong opinion about whether or not this tasering was appropriate. I'm just betting it was a bad idea in this case because I doubt these guards were given the authority to apply the degree of cooperation as a standard to apply.
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So if something is non-lethal it can't be excessive?
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Depends on how it is used. If there were multiple tazers being used or continuing to taze the kid after he was brought down that would be excessive. How it was applied in this situation, it was not.
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There is no kind of force that can't be excessive. Whether or not something is excessive has to be judged on the circumstances and relative to harm it's intended to prevent. Pinning a kid to a wall to prevent him from leaving a classroom without permission is excessive force. Putting a chokehold on a citizen who wants to know why he's being asked for his identification is excessive force. It's not that pinning someone to a wall or administering a chokehold are automatically excessive in any and all circumstances. It's the same with tasering. There's no blanket statement that's going to make sense where one taser always is or is not excessive or that five always is or is not.
I don't have a strong opinion about whether or not this tasering was appropriate. I'm just betting it was a bad idea in this case because I doubt these guards were given the authority to apply the degree of cooperation as a standard to apply.