Z to the Pen

[BT]

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So the fact that I said I wouldn't put Z in the pen doesn't matter, just the fact that I'm not freaking out about it to the proper degree, makes me pro-management?

You turned me around Ruby.

FIRE LOU! FIRE WILKIN FIRE HENDRY! THIS TEAM IS DOOMED! DOOOOOOOMED I TELLS YA! THIS IS A MISTAKE OF SUCH EPIC PROPORTIONS, MEMBERS OF LOU'S FAMILY SHOULD BE HARMED! WE CANNOT RECOVER FROM THIS! TRADE LEE! TRADE ARAM! KICK SORIANO IN THE BALLS! MURDER SILVA BEFORE HE CAN SUCK! FRAME GORZELANY FOR THAT MURDER! BRING UP CASTRO! BRING UP CASHNER (we should, however, start another thread to decide if he should start or relieve)!

also

FIRE WHOMEVER THE NEXT MANAGER IS AS SOON AS WE HAVE A LOSING SEASON (or a season that we don't make the playoffs)! FIRE THE NEXT GM AND SCOUTING DIRECTOR AS SOON AS A GUY THAT WE DIDN'T DRAFT MAKES THE PROS!

do I fit in now?
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No, being pro-management on every issue makes you pro-management. That's the way it's always been buckeroo.
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Explain how I'm Pro-management on this? Is saying management is not a bunch of drooling fucking morons the same thing as being pro-management?

I'll say this again, so maybe you will understand, I don't think this is the right move. I simply don't think it's as indefensible as everyone on here is making it.
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Trying for even one second to rationalize it is indefensible.


And for the record, I generally agree with you that things get blown way out of proportion here, but this not one of those times. Not even close.
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So arguing that it's possible that management has an actual reason for what they are doing (regardless if I agree with that reason) is not only "pro-management", but it's indefensible?


it's fairly easy to rationalize it Ruby.

-Moving Silva takes our (current) best starter out of the rotation.
-Moving Gorz make our primary setup man a lefty (Marshall), AND does absolutely nothing to change our late inning bullpen, since Marshall (who let up 2 runs in the 8th yesterday, by the way) is already in the bullpen.

Now you can think that either of these scenarios is preferable to moving Zambrano (and I'd probably favor moving Gorz), and that's fine, but to act as if the choice is so clearly black and white that anyone who sees it differently is brain dead, is absurd. To argue that it's simply inarguable, is absurd. And to argue that anyone who points out these rationalizations is "pro-management", is absurd.
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You being pro-management is represented by your body of work, this instance is merely a blip on your pro-management radar.
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I see. Well, in the future I will try to take the brave sports message board position that the manager/gm is wrong. I know that opinion is tough to find.