04-22-2010, 01:44 PM
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Yes it is. The rotation is being downgraded by keeping Silva and Gorz in it and removing Zambrano.
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I think Lenny meant it in so far THIS year, the rotation has pitched just fine and in terms of THIS year, the rotation is now being downgraded. He's right actually.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Right. So, despite years of evidence to the contrary, Silva and Gorz will continue to pitch like Walter Johnson and Z will continue to pitch like Jason Marquis. I get it now.
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Right, because Silva has sucked so badly his entire career that the Mariners decided to give him 48 million dollars.
Have you even looked at his career? He's had 2 legitimately awful years. And 5 where he was anywhere from adequate to pretty good.
Plus, I like the ramifications of your idea. "Hey Silva, I know you are pitching better than anyone else on the team right now, and I know you give us a chance to win every time you go out, but we are all pretty sure you are going to suck at some point, so just to be sure, we will yank you from the rotation".
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I like the ramifications of your idea even more. "Hey Z, I know you're a 3-time All-Star and your three 'worst' seasons are better than Carlos Silva's three 'best' seasons, but because you've had a couple of bad starts in April and Silva has had a couple of good starts in April, we're going to yank you from the rotation and leave Silva where he is."
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Temporarily putting the guy who is doing the worst of our 5 starters at this moment in the pen seems at least defensible. Putting the guy who is doing the best of our 5 starters in the pen, because he was really bad 2 years ago, seems like a bad idea. Especially when you take into account the fact that if he becomes Silva 2008, he can be moved to the pen then. I'm not saying he won't get worse, maybe much worse, but taking your BEST starter out of the rotation, while he is hot, because you assume he will get bad, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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What I'm saying is this: EVERY time Z takes the mound instead of Carlos Silva, there's a better chance we get a quality start and our odds of winning the game are better.
If you want to try and ride Silva's hot hand a little longer, then fine -- move Gorz into the 'pen. I don't give a shit that he's a lefty and we already have "too many lefties" in our pen. Moving Z into the bullpen makes zero sense and is indefensible.
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Well I guess there's only one thing to do then...
Kill Lou Piniella.
Yes it is. The rotation is being downgraded by keeping Silva and Gorz in it and removing Zambrano.
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I think Lenny meant it in so far THIS year, the rotation has pitched just fine and in terms of THIS year, the rotation is now being downgraded. He's right actually.<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Right. So, despite years of evidence to the contrary, Silva and Gorz will continue to pitch like Walter Johnson and Z will continue to pitch like Jason Marquis. I get it now.
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Right, because Silva has sucked so badly his entire career that the Mariners decided to give him 48 million dollars.
Have you even looked at his career? He's had 2 legitimately awful years. And 5 where he was anywhere from adequate to pretty good.
Plus, I like the ramifications of your idea. "Hey Silva, I know you are pitching better than anyone else on the team right now, and I know you give us a chance to win every time you go out, but we are all pretty sure you are going to suck at some point, so just to be sure, we will yank you from the rotation".
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I like the ramifications of your idea even more. "Hey Z, I know you're a 3-time All-Star and your three 'worst' seasons are better than Carlos Silva's three 'best' seasons, but because you've had a couple of bad starts in April and Silva has had a couple of good starts in April, we're going to yank you from the rotation and leave Silva where he is."
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Temporarily putting the guy who is doing the worst of our 5 starters at this moment in the pen seems at least defensible. Putting the guy who is doing the best of our 5 starters in the pen, because he was really bad 2 years ago, seems like a bad idea. Especially when you take into account the fact that if he becomes Silva 2008, he can be moved to the pen then. I'm not saying he won't get worse, maybe much worse, but taking your BEST starter out of the rotation, while he is hot, because you assume he will get bad, doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
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What I'm saying is this: EVERY time Z takes the mound instead of Carlos Silva, there's a better chance we get a quality start and our odds of winning the game are better.
If you want to try and ride Silva's hot hand a little longer, then fine -- move Gorz into the 'pen. I don't give a shit that he's a lefty and we already have "too many lefties" in our pen. Moving Z into the bullpen makes zero sense and is indefensible.
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Well I guess there's only one thing to do then...
Kill Lou Piniella.