04-22-2010, 12:14 PM
<!--quoteo(post=92058:date=Apr 22 2010, 12:06 PM:name=dk123)-->QUOTE (dk123 @ Apr 22 2010, 12:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92053:date=Apr 22 2010, 10:48 AM:name=jstraw)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jstraw @ Apr 22 2010, 10:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92052:date=Apr 22 2010, 10:36 AM:name=VanSlawAndCottoCheese)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (VanSlawAndCottoCheese @ Apr 22 2010, 10:36 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=92033:date=Apr 22 2010, 10:02 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Apr 22 2010, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->They ASKED Zambrano to move to the pen, they didn't demote him.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
My problem with this line of thinking is that it is nigh-universally accepted that a move to the pen is a demotion, whether it's cleared through the pitcher or not. It's fairly understood that Reliever < Starter (see Samardzija, Jeff).
Earlier you suggested that if this "works," then no one will be complaining. What does "works" mean here? That all parties pitch well? We still will be underutilizing Zambrano. Of course, it could also mean that if we are happy with him pitching from the pen, that are tacitly recognizing that he is no longer starter-worthy. And I see that as cause for dismay as well.
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I dunno. I really can see a scenario where Lou goes to Z and says "I'm desperate here...I need someone to stop the bleeding and you can do this. Will you help me?"
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IF that is how it happened, with the understanding it would be a short term thing, then I don't think it's so bad...but that's a big if.
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Even so, what its the anticipated end result? If Z pitches lights out, does Lou expect all the other relievers to watch him and come to some epiphany of how things are done? I suppose I could concede that this wouldn't be such a dunderhead move if there is a scenario where a trade is in the works that would bring a strong 8th inning guy over in the next couple of weeks. Aside from that, I don't see what temporarily moving Z to the pen accomplished, other than a perceived demotion.
My problem with this line of thinking is that it is nigh-universally accepted that a move to the pen is a demotion, whether it's cleared through the pitcher or not. It's fairly understood that Reliever < Starter (see Samardzija, Jeff).
Earlier you suggested that if this "works," then no one will be complaining. What does "works" mean here? That all parties pitch well? We still will be underutilizing Zambrano. Of course, it could also mean that if we are happy with him pitching from the pen, that are tacitly recognizing that he is no longer starter-worthy. And I see that as cause for dismay as well.
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I dunno. I really can see a scenario where Lou goes to Z and says "I'm desperate here...I need someone to stop the bleeding and you can do this. Will you help me?"
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IF that is how it happened, with the understanding it would be a short term thing, then I don't think it's so bad...but that's a big if.
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Even so, what its the anticipated end result? If Z pitches lights out, does Lou expect all the other relievers to watch him and come to some epiphany of how things are done? I suppose I could concede that this wouldn't be such a dunderhead move if there is a scenario where a trade is in the works that would bring a strong 8th inning guy over in the next couple of weeks. Aside from that, I don't see what temporarily moving Z to the pen accomplished, other than a perceived demotion.
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