04-09-2010, 03:42 PM
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Not sure if you mentioned it because I really refuse to read your novel, but doesn't hiring undocumented workers to do those jobs produce the same result as outsourcing? It's Americans losing jobs, same result.
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Here's the paragraph in the novel you didn't read:
"I'll skip the part of my response that describes the importance of undocumented workers to this G.O.P. utopia, and how hypocritical conservatives rail against them out of one side of their mouth to score political points with xenophobes while at the same time refusing to do anything that would undermine the benefits they harvest from having a cheap, fearful source of labor ever present."
It's a whole 'nother novel for another day.
The one thing GWB ever had right...and the one thing that pissed off his base, was that he wanted to approach this issue in a sensible manner.
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You're right, it is hypocritical. But at the same time, it's the name of the game. Capitalism strives on making the extra dollar, the cheapest workers are what enables that dollar to be earned. I agree with the importance of workers that fit the unskilled labour profile, and businesses love having them. All I ask for, and a lot of right wingers and moderates, is that the workers come here legally and are documented. It's not right how people get fucked over for waiting in line and doing things the right way. These "undocumented" people get free educations that isn't supported by their tax money, and it isn't fair to us, nor them. One of my best friends is illegal, and I can never go out and have a beer with him because he doesn't have an ID. It's not fair to him that he has to deal with that fear, and it's not fair to Tom and Shirely in Podunk, Iowa who got their Social Security stolen number by him. To start, amnesty is probably going to have to be the way to go as a sort of grandfather clause for these workers, but it needs to be fixed.
Not sure if you mentioned it because I really refuse to read your novel, but doesn't hiring undocumented workers to do those jobs produce the same result as outsourcing? It's Americans losing jobs, same result.
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Here's the paragraph in the novel you didn't read:
"I'll skip the part of my response that describes the importance of undocumented workers to this G.O.P. utopia, and how hypocritical conservatives rail against them out of one side of their mouth to score political points with xenophobes while at the same time refusing to do anything that would undermine the benefits they harvest from having a cheap, fearful source of labor ever present."
It's a whole 'nother novel for another day.
The one thing GWB ever had right...and the one thing that pissed off his base, was that he wanted to approach this issue in a sensible manner.
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You're right, it is hypocritical. But at the same time, it's the name of the game. Capitalism strives on making the extra dollar, the cheapest workers are what enables that dollar to be earned. I agree with the importance of workers that fit the unskilled labour profile, and businesses love having them. All I ask for, and a lot of right wingers and moderates, is that the workers come here legally and are documented. It's not right how people get fucked over for waiting in line and doing things the right way. These "undocumented" people get free educations that isn't supported by their tax money, and it isn't fair to us, nor them. One of my best friends is illegal, and I can never go out and have a beer with him because he doesn't have an ID. It's not fair to him that he has to deal with that fear, and it's not fair to Tom and Shirely in Podunk, Iowa who got their Social Security stolen number by him. To start, amnesty is probably going to have to be the way to go as a sort of grandfather clause for these workers, but it needs to be fixed.
I hate my pretentious sounding username too.