04-08-2010, 09:48 PM
<!--quoteo(post=86533:date=Apr 6 2010, 02:59 PM:name=BackyardLegend)-->QUOTE (BackyardLegend @ Apr 6 2010, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm still trying to figure out how baseball salaries have anything to do with the liberal/conservative argument.
Athletes get paid based on the economy of their business. It's a free market—for the most part—where wages are dictated by one's value to the organization.
If you are such a bleeding heart conservative Anna, then you should embrace this idea. And likewise, you should take issue with minimum wage laws that force places like Jewel to pay a 16 year old grocery bagger more than 8.00/hr.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hi BackyardLegend,
I wish that I was able to respond to your post earlier, since I feel that a prompt response would have been beneficial.
Yes, it's true that athletes pay is based on the economy of their business. And as long as the owners are willing to pay those salaries and the fans are willing to pay the ticket prices then they have the right to request their million dollar contracts. But as the economy gets tougher for everyone, you may find that many fans may not be so willing to pay the ticket prices that the owners are asking for us to pay. Then when the owners revenue decreases, then the owners are less likely to pay athletes the higher salaries that they are requesting. When contract renewals come around, they may be given the choice of taking a pay cut, finding a new team to play for, or finding a different line of employment.
Like I mentioned on a previous post, in my personal opinion, athletes are also entertainers. We are seeing many people in radio & TV losing their jobs because their owners are looking for ways to cut cost. Jonathon Brandmeier, most recently of The LOOP-WLUP, lost his job in a labor dispute a few months before is contract was due to end. He was one of Chicago's last high paid celebrities. Many other high paid radio personalities had renegotiated their contracts reducing their wages in exchange for longer contracts (Job security). Soon, we will see the same thing most likely happen to athletes if the economy running a sports team so continues to see a decline in revenue.
Now in case some people may have misunderstood my previous post, I recognize that our economy if changing:
Many people, especially in their 40's and 50's who were expecting to be having their highest standard of living are finding themselves out of work. They are having to settle for part time work. This includes people with college educations and people who are highly stilled in manufacturing jobs now having to settle for jobs that only pay $12.00 per hour. Many of them have house, car, & credit card payments that they don't know how they are going to pay off. Many of those same people most likely over extended themeselves.
Then we have my generation who still thinks that life is one big party. Just in today's Chicago Tribunes online, there is a story about teens retail spending (Which I need to completely read) helping retail stores recover. College kids are spending more money on parties & trips to the Bahamas then they are on their college tuition. My generation has no idea of the value of the dollar or how to manage money. They expect to graduate from college and think that they are owed top dollar when they get their job. Well it takes time to climb that corporate ladder. Well personally, I believe that my generation is going to get a big culture shock when they not only realize that their not going to get paid top dollar, but their going to have to get their hands, clothes,ect. dirty possibly 15 years after they graduate from college and still not achieve the same standard of living that our parents & grandparents had achieved. And those in my generation who don't realize the "new norm" will end up in debt and angry unless they learn the value of a dollar. The same also applies to you grown up if you decide to keep over extending yourselves.
"Bleeding Heart Conservative???" Now last summer when I first joined SOI, I don't remember interacting with you. I wasn't out here long enough for the people who I did interact with to get to know me. I joined SOI last summer for two reasons.
1: I am unable to watch or listen to Cub games and I was hoping to keep up with the Cubs through this forum.
2: I wanted to interact with other Cub Fans.
I also like to talk about other topics as well as have fun while I am on forums that I belong to.
Now you mentioned,BackyardLegend about places like Jewel being forced to pay baggers $8.00 per hour. Well I'm only making $7.40 per hour for taking tickets at a movie theater. This is my 1st payroll job, and I was babysitting last summer.
Now as far as the minimum wage is concerned, yes I do believe that we should have a minimum wage, but it shouldn't be artificially set. If employers are offering only $6.00 per hour and no one is applying for those jobs, then they find that they may have to offer a wage of $7.00 or $8.00 per hour to get people to apply for those jobs.
Now I have another thing to say about minimum wage jobs,BackyardLegend........
Are you listening???
Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be jobs to raise a family on, despite what some liberal politicians may try to claim. They were intended to be entry level jobs for high school & college age kids to develop job stills or for people to work as secondary jobs. As we develop our employment still then we "graduate" to the next level in our working careers and we begin to earn more money.
But if a minimum wage is artificially set, then there is a resentment when a 16 year old bagger at Jewel is making $8.00 per hour and a 40 year old assembly worker is only making $9.00 per hour.
Oh,BTW, BackyardLegend, since I don't remember interacting with you last summer, for your information, I do happen to be 17 years old. Yes, I am a conservative, which would make me a minority among people of my generation. Yes, I do read the newspaper (yes, in print) since I was 11 years old. And yes, I can make up my own mind on my own beliefs.
Now, on another note, BackyardLegend....
Pleased to meet you out here on SOI
I love the Cubs
I do like to talk about baseball while I am out here on SOI, but even on sports radio, other topics of discussion do come up.
Now, LETS GO [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cubsflag.gif[/img]
Anna [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
Athletes get paid based on the economy of their business. It's a free market—for the most part—where wages are dictated by one's value to the organization.
If you are such a bleeding heart conservative Anna, then you should embrace this idea. And likewise, you should take issue with minimum wage laws that force places like Jewel to pay a 16 year old grocery bagger more than 8.00/hr.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hi BackyardLegend,
I wish that I was able to respond to your post earlier, since I feel that a prompt response would have been beneficial.
Yes, it's true that athletes pay is based on the economy of their business. And as long as the owners are willing to pay those salaries and the fans are willing to pay the ticket prices then they have the right to request their million dollar contracts. But as the economy gets tougher for everyone, you may find that many fans may not be so willing to pay the ticket prices that the owners are asking for us to pay. Then when the owners revenue decreases, then the owners are less likely to pay athletes the higher salaries that they are requesting. When contract renewals come around, they may be given the choice of taking a pay cut, finding a new team to play for, or finding a different line of employment.
Like I mentioned on a previous post, in my personal opinion, athletes are also entertainers. We are seeing many people in radio & TV losing their jobs because their owners are looking for ways to cut cost. Jonathon Brandmeier, most recently of The LOOP-WLUP, lost his job in a labor dispute a few months before is contract was due to end. He was one of Chicago's last high paid celebrities. Many other high paid radio personalities had renegotiated their contracts reducing their wages in exchange for longer contracts (Job security). Soon, we will see the same thing most likely happen to athletes if the economy running a sports team so continues to see a decline in revenue.
Now in case some people may have misunderstood my previous post, I recognize that our economy if changing:
Many people, especially in their 40's and 50's who were expecting to be having their highest standard of living are finding themselves out of work. They are having to settle for part time work. This includes people with college educations and people who are highly stilled in manufacturing jobs now having to settle for jobs that only pay $12.00 per hour. Many of them have house, car, & credit card payments that they don't know how they are going to pay off. Many of those same people most likely over extended themeselves.
Then we have my generation who still thinks that life is one big party. Just in today's Chicago Tribunes online, there is a story about teens retail spending (Which I need to completely read) helping retail stores recover. College kids are spending more money on parties & trips to the Bahamas then they are on their college tuition. My generation has no idea of the value of the dollar or how to manage money. They expect to graduate from college and think that they are owed top dollar when they get their job. Well it takes time to climb that corporate ladder. Well personally, I believe that my generation is going to get a big culture shock when they not only realize that their not going to get paid top dollar, but their going to have to get their hands, clothes,ect. dirty possibly 15 years after they graduate from college and still not achieve the same standard of living that our parents & grandparents had achieved. And those in my generation who don't realize the "new norm" will end up in debt and angry unless they learn the value of a dollar. The same also applies to you grown up if you decide to keep over extending yourselves.
"Bleeding Heart Conservative???" Now last summer when I first joined SOI, I don't remember interacting with you. I wasn't out here long enough for the people who I did interact with to get to know me. I joined SOI last summer for two reasons.
1: I am unable to watch or listen to Cub games and I was hoping to keep up with the Cubs through this forum.
2: I wanted to interact with other Cub Fans.
I also like to talk about other topics as well as have fun while I am on forums that I belong to.
Now you mentioned,BackyardLegend about places like Jewel being forced to pay baggers $8.00 per hour. Well I'm only making $7.40 per hour for taking tickets at a movie theater. This is my 1st payroll job, and I was babysitting last summer.
Now as far as the minimum wage is concerned, yes I do believe that we should have a minimum wage, but it shouldn't be artificially set. If employers are offering only $6.00 per hour and no one is applying for those jobs, then they find that they may have to offer a wage of $7.00 or $8.00 per hour to get people to apply for those jobs.
Now I have another thing to say about minimum wage jobs,BackyardLegend........
Are you listening???
Minimum wage jobs are not meant to be jobs to raise a family on, despite what some liberal politicians may try to claim. They were intended to be entry level jobs for high school & college age kids to develop job stills or for people to work as secondary jobs. As we develop our employment still then we "graduate" to the next level in our working careers and we begin to earn more money.
But if a minimum wage is artificially set, then there is a resentment when a 16 year old bagger at Jewel is making $8.00 per hour and a 40 year old assembly worker is only making $9.00 per hour.
Oh,BTW, BackyardLegend, since I don't remember interacting with you last summer, for your information, I do happen to be 17 years old. Yes, I am a conservative, which would make me a minority among people of my generation. Yes, I do read the newspaper (yes, in print) since I was 11 years old. And yes, I can make up my own mind on my own beliefs.
Now, on another note, BackyardLegend....
Pleased to meet you out here on SOI
I love the Cubs
I do like to talk about baseball while I am out here on SOI, but even on sports radio, other topics of discussion do come up.
Now, LETS GO [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/cubsflag.gif[/img]
Anna [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/smile.gif[/img]
SONS OF IVY
Is this really the FRIENDLY CONFINES?
Is this really the FRIENDLY CONFINES?