02-25-2010, 02:27 PM
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This is actually one of my biggest gripes about OPS+, not that there shouldn't be some adjustment based on the ballpark you play in, but I think they go WAY overboard in the OPS+ formula. You really think an .870 OPS in Boston is the same value as an .815 OPS in Seattle just because a player plays half his games in that ballpark? Seems pretty overboard to me.
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I'm actually curious how they determine the actual numbers. But I do know that Fenway Park has been the best hitter's park in the majors for a long time, and by a <i>mile</i>.
Just one example of a thousand, but during Wade Boggs's prime, he routinely hit about .400 in Fenway, and about .300 on the road. When ranking a player, to not adjust for that kind of thing is bad front office work.
There are some parks, like Petco Park in S.D., that take away so many homers that it's simply not fair to compare Adrian Gonzo to a player in Philly or Cinci, who play half their games in home-run bandboxes.
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I understand that, I just think its too overboard. Also, not everyone is a HR hitter. Ichiro has gotten HUGE boosts to his OPS+ playing in SafeCo, even though you could argue pretty easily that playing in a huge stadium is actually very good for his slap/speed style of hitting.
This is actually one of my biggest gripes about OPS+, not that there shouldn't be some adjustment based on the ballpark you play in, but I think they go WAY overboard in the OPS+ formula. You really think an .870 OPS in Boston is the same value as an .815 OPS in Seattle just because a player plays half his games in that ballpark? Seems pretty overboard to me.
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I'm actually curious how they determine the actual numbers. But I do know that Fenway Park has been the best hitter's park in the majors for a long time, and by a <i>mile</i>.
Just one example of a thousand, but during Wade Boggs's prime, he routinely hit about .400 in Fenway, and about .300 on the road. When ranking a player, to not adjust for that kind of thing is bad front office work.
There are some parks, like Petco Park in S.D., that take away so many homers that it's simply not fair to compare Adrian Gonzo to a player in Philly or Cinci, who play half their games in home-run bandboxes.
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I understand that, I just think its too overboard. Also, not everyone is a HR hitter. Ichiro has gotten HUGE boosts to his OPS+ playing in SafeCo, even though you could argue pretty easily that playing in a huge stadium is actually very good for his slap/speed style of hitting.