01-21-2010, 06:16 PM
<!--quoteo(post=76855:date=Jan 21 2010, 03:56 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 21 2010, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=76851:date=Jan 21 2010, 03:36 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Jan 21 2010, 03:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=76846:date=Jan 21 2010, 03:25 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 21 2010, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=76843:date=Jan 21 2010, 03:04 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Jan 21 2010, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=76839:date=Jan 21 2010, 02:37 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jan 21 2010, 02:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->This is sort of tangential, but Sheets wouldn't fill a hole in the #5 spot -- he'd fill a hole in the #1 spot. Because, really, we have:
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Sure, it's possible he could turn out to be the ace of the staff. But I would say it's at least as likely that, after not pitching for a full year, he could either be terrible, or he could just keep getting hurt like he has his entire career. So there's no way you could sign him and just think he's going to be the ace.
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You're right. He could. Unfortunately, you clipped the rest of my quote, where I said this:
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Of course Sheets is a gamble, but if effective/healthy, he would make us a playoff contender. Adding a 4th OF and another reliever isn't going to do that -- even if they're the best 4th OF and 7th/8th inning guys in the history of the game.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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I guess I missed the last paragraph. Still, I think a fourth outfielder especially is extremely important for this team. Right now there's zero depth in the outfield, and we're relying on a guy who hasn't had much success outside of Texas and a guy that was one of the worst full time players in the big leagues for the last few months of the season and seems to be an injury risk now. I think a fourth outfielder could have a ton of say on what happens with this team, as weird as that sounds.
Plus, I'm just not sure I see the huge upside to Ben Sheets. Every time I think about him, I remember how much of a gigantic pussy he used to be. I'll never forget, he was pitching the biggest game of his life, a Sunday night game in Wrigley, and he pulled himself after 2 innings. I'm not sure that's a guy this team really needs.
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I guess this discussion depends on whether you think this team has enough talent to compete with the Cardinals (I don't think they do). A good 4th OF will add needed depth for sure, but I don't think it's the difference between winning the division or not. A healthy Sheets and an upgraded rotation *could* be, though.
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Fair enough. I think this team is plenty capable of being a serious playoff contender if things go right.
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2. Lilly (hurt -- who knows when he'll be healthy/effective)
3. Zambrano
4. Dempster
5. Wells (career year as a rookie?)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Sure, it's possible he could turn out to be the ace of the staff. But I would say it's at least as likely that, after not pitching for a full year, he could either be terrible, or he could just keep getting hurt like he has his entire career. So there's no way you could sign him and just think he's going to be the ace.
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You're right. He could. Unfortunately, you clipped the rest of my quote, where I said this:
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I guess I missed the last paragraph. Still, I think a fourth outfielder especially is extremely important for this team. Right now there's zero depth in the outfield, and we're relying on a guy who hasn't had much success outside of Texas and a guy that was one of the worst full time players in the big leagues for the last few months of the season and seems to be an injury risk now. I think a fourth outfielder could have a ton of say on what happens with this team, as weird as that sounds.
Plus, I'm just not sure I see the huge upside to Ben Sheets. Every time I think about him, I remember how much of a gigantic pussy he used to be. I'll never forget, he was pitching the biggest game of his life, a Sunday night game in Wrigley, and he pulled himself after 2 innings. I'm not sure that's a guy this team really needs.
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I guess this discussion depends on whether you think this team has enough talent to compete with the Cardinals (I don't think they do). A good 4th OF will add needed depth for sure, but I don't think it's the difference between winning the division or not. A healthy Sheets and an upgraded rotation *could* be, though.
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Fair enough. I think this team is plenty capable of being a serious playoff contender if things go right.
The thing you need to remember is that all Cardinals fans and all White Sox fans are very bad people. It's a fact that has been scientifically proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Being a Cubs fan is the only path to rightousness and piousness. Cardinal and White Sox fans exist to be the dark, diabolical forces that oppose us. They are the yin to our yang, the Joker to our Batman, the demon to our angel, the insurgence to our freedom, the oil to our water, the club to our baby seal. Their happiness occurs only in direct conflict with everything that is pure and good in this world.
-Dirk
-Dirk