12-15-2008, 03:03 AM
<!--quoteo(post=4759:date=Dec 14 2008, 11:48 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 14 2008, 11:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--coloro:#4B0082--><!--/coloro-->Scarey<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc-->: I'm not ignoring you, but how can I respond to someone who insinuated that a career .416 OBP with RISP sucks? <!--coloro:#A0522D--><!--/coloro-->Stan Musial<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc-->'s career OBP? .416.
That number is better than the career OBP numbers of Wade Boggs, Willie Mays, Manny, A-Rod, DiMaggio...uh, ...let's just say it's a damn high number. His low batting avg. in the same sitch is actually quite close to his career batting average.
You framed your post with a real-world situation, so I will do the same...kind of what would be a typical scenario if he were on the Cubs: Soriano leads off with a double, Theriot strikes out. Up comes Dunn, and while you're hoping for an RBI single, or a "productive out," (which is an oxymoron, and most baseball propeller-heads believe does not exist) Dunn fucking...WALKS.
What an asshole!
So now you have a man on first and second, with 2 power hitters coming up, D Lee and Aramis. Our two best RBI men, only now they have <i>twice as many men on base</i>.
How is this a bad situation?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Walking isn't the worst thing in the world, but as BZ said he is supposed to be the type of player that drives the runner in.
Also, in you're scenario you're already assuming he walks. 19.1% you'd be right. Then, 22.5% of the time he'll get a hit. However, 58.4% of the time he is creating an out and a lot of those are either strikeouts or fly outs that don't help the runner at 2nd at all.
It's only in 22.5% of his ABs with RISP that he even gives his team a chance to get the runner in. Sure, he gives the guy behind him an opportunity to drive himself and the other runner in, but there's plenty of other guys that can do that for a lot less money and happen to play better defense.
<!--/colorc-->: I'm not ignoring you, but how can I respond to someone who insinuated that a career .416 OBP with RISP sucks? <!--coloro:#A0522D--><!--/coloro-->Stan Musial<!--colorc-->
<!--/colorc-->'s career OBP? .416.
That number is better than the career OBP numbers of Wade Boggs, Willie Mays, Manny, A-Rod, DiMaggio...uh, ...let's just say it's a damn high number. His low batting avg. in the same sitch is actually quite close to his career batting average.
You framed your post with a real-world situation, so I will do the same...kind of what would be a typical scenario if he were on the Cubs: Soriano leads off with a double, Theriot strikes out. Up comes Dunn, and while you're hoping for an RBI single, or a "productive out," (which is an oxymoron, and most baseball propeller-heads believe does not exist) Dunn fucking...WALKS.
What an asshole!
So now you have a man on first and second, with 2 power hitters coming up, D Lee and Aramis. Our two best RBI men, only now they have <i>twice as many men on base</i>.
How is this a bad situation?<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Walking isn't the worst thing in the world, but as BZ said he is supposed to be the type of player that drives the runner in.
Also, in you're scenario you're already assuming he walks. 19.1% you'd be right. Then, 22.5% of the time he'll get a hit. However, 58.4% of the time he is creating an out and a lot of those are either strikeouts or fly outs that don't help the runner at 2nd at all.
It's only in 22.5% of his ABs with RISP that he even gives his team a chance to get the runner in. Sure, he gives the guy behind him an opportunity to drive himself and the other runner in, but there's plenty of other guys that can do that for a lot less money and happen to play better defense.