12-30-2009, 06:14 PM
<!--quoteo(post=73417:date=Dec 30 2009, 03:32 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Dec 30 2009, 03:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73412:date=Dec 30 2009, 03:13 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 30 2009, 03:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73408:date=Dec 30 2009, 02:59 PM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Dec 30 2009, 02:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73385:date=Dec 30 2009, 12:05 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 30 2009, 12:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73368:date=Dec 30 2009, 11:10 AM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Dec 30 2009, 11:10 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73335:date=Dec 30 2009, 07:50 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Dec 30 2009, 07:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Put whatever label you want on him<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->He's the best pitcher in Chicago. Now fuck yourself.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Wrong.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->The only important part of my statement was the 2nd sentence.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I guarantee you PCB thinks the best pitcher in Chicago is on the White Sox, and you know how much PCB hates it when you diss the White Sox.
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Last year, Lilly and Randy Wells had clearly superior seasons to anyone on the White Sox staff. Danks, who had a similar year to Dempster, was the best Sox pitcher, unless you want to give extra credit to Hillbilly for his perfect game.
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When healthy, Peavy is probably the best pitcher in the city, and yes, it hurts me to say it. Now, whether he fully adjusts to the AL or is able to remain healthy are big IFs in my opinion. I personally think both Danks and Floyd have topped out development wise, but I'm biased given my allegiances, and am just guessing. Fuck Buehrle.
Anyway, the only pitcher currently on the Cubs who hasn't realized his full potential is Z. I think everyone else on our staff has already met or exceeded expectations, so I'm not optimistic past the next 1-2 seasons with our current rotation, unless of course someone develops quickly out of our farm system and surprises all of us soon.
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So hard to say.... I think there are 3 guys who are somewhere that you'd call the either #1 or #2s depending on how they throw. Z has the most potential to be a star. Buehrle has the least likelihood of blowing up. Peavy is the wildcard - depending on his health and his adjustment to the AL (and AL hitters adjustment to him) and from a pitcher friendly park to a hitter friendly park.
I have no problem with a rational arguement that Zambrano has the highest upside of the 3. I also can easily make the arguement that he is the one most likely to underperform (even his own) expectations - a Cy Young type year.
The two rotations are both very good. We are lucky right now to have two rotations stacked from top to bottom and not with a bunch of ?. (Who's the Cubs 5th? Gorzelanny/Marshall/Samardzija?) In my life, these are the best 2 staffs at the same time.
Stacking the 10 starters is a very subjective excercise.
I'd say Group A is Z, Lilly, Peavy and Buehrle
Group B is Dempster, Wells, Floyd and Danks
Group C is the 5th starters - Garcia and Gorz/Marsh/Samardzija.
Inside those groups, it is hard to rank em.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->Wrong.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->The only important part of my statement was the 2nd sentence.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->I guarantee you PCB thinks the best pitcher in Chicago is on the White Sox, and you know how much PCB hates it when you diss the White Sox.
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Last year, Lilly and Randy Wells had clearly superior seasons to anyone on the White Sox staff. Danks, who had a similar year to Dempster, was the best Sox pitcher, unless you want to give extra credit to Hillbilly for his perfect game.
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When healthy, Peavy is probably the best pitcher in the city, and yes, it hurts me to say it. Now, whether he fully adjusts to the AL or is able to remain healthy are big IFs in my opinion. I personally think both Danks and Floyd have topped out development wise, but I'm biased given my allegiances, and am just guessing. Fuck Buehrle.
Anyway, the only pitcher currently on the Cubs who hasn't realized his full potential is Z. I think everyone else on our staff has already met or exceeded expectations, so I'm not optimistic past the next 1-2 seasons with our current rotation, unless of course someone develops quickly out of our farm system and surprises all of us soon.
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So hard to say.... I think there are 3 guys who are somewhere that you'd call the either #1 or #2s depending on how they throw. Z has the most potential to be a star. Buehrle has the least likelihood of blowing up. Peavy is the wildcard - depending on his health and his adjustment to the AL (and AL hitters adjustment to him) and from a pitcher friendly park to a hitter friendly park.
I have no problem with a rational arguement that Zambrano has the highest upside of the 3. I also can easily make the arguement that he is the one most likely to underperform (even his own) expectations - a Cy Young type year.
The two rotations are both very good. We are lucky right now to have two rotations stacked from top to bottom and not with a bunch of ?. (Who's the Cubs 5th? Gorzelanny/Marshall/Samardzija?) In my life, these are the best 2 staffs at the same time.
Stacking the 10 starters is a very subjective excercise.
I'd say Group A is Z, Lilly, Peavy and Buehrle
Group B is Dempster, Wells, Floyd and Danks
Group C is the 5th starters - Garcia and Gorz/Marsh/Samardzija.
Inside those groups, it is hard to rank em.