12-28-2009, 12:54 AM
<!--quoteo(post=73031:date=Dec 27 2009, 04:59 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Dec 27 2009, 04:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=73017:date=Dec 27 2009, 03:04 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Dec 27 2009, 03:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Scarey, from a philosophical standpoint, I have always thought it's much better to rely on your home grown arms to fill out your bullpen. However, the Cubs tried that last year, at least from the left side, and it was a complete disaster. NO ONE stepped up. And our rookies from the right side were a mixed bag as well. I liked Stevens at times, but he walked 8 guys in 12 innings. Ascanio walked 9 in 15 IP. So even if sabremetrics tell you that a pitcher making 350k a year is a better bet than a FA, you can't blame Hendry for going the Grabow route this year, rather than waiting for someone to step up from the left side.
As a side note, I think we need to stop moaning about what a terrible contract Grabow signed. After watching the likes of Hawkins and Lyons sign, Grabow's deal is at least in line with what the market was paying this year.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's just not fair to compare last season's MLB ready bullpen arms to this years. From the left side, we didn't have anyone. This year, we have Gaub who at least one scout has boasted as the best lefty reliever in the minors.
Guys like Stevens and Ascanio should not be judged... unless you want to judge guys like Berg (0.75 ERA in 12.0 IP) and Esmailin Caridad (1.41 ERA in 19.1 IP) the same way.
<b>I just don't get it. How do you find the K-Rods/Joe Nathans/Sorias if you never give your guys a chance.</b>
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You don't. But you (generally) don't win by filling your bullpen with those guys either.
This team needs to develop the next stars from their system. But it also needs to play to win now. I don't see how it is a bad idea to get Grabow/Capps. I don't get the Hendry hatred over fucking Grabow and Capps. We are not talking about buying a full pen. We aren't talking about spending 10mm on a single reliever. We arent' talking about a deal that stopped him from doing anything else relevant. We are talking about making sure there was some help in the pen to back up some very risky young guys.
What am I missing? Are guys (other than KB, who we all know hates nearly anything Hendry does) really bashing Hendry for resigning Grabow to a low risk, low cost deal, and for pursuing a guy like Capps who could be a strong contributor to the pen and a backup closer if something goes wrong?
Scarey - I'm with you - you need to roll the dice on kids with a few of your slots. I'm just not supporting doing it with every slot in your pen.
As a side note, I think we need to stop moaning about what a terrible contract Grabow signed. After watching the likes of Hawkins and Lyons sign, Grabow's deal is at least in line with what the market was paying this year.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's just not fair to compare last season's MLB ready bullpen arms to this years. From the left side, we didn't have anyone. This year, we have Gaub who at least one scout has boasted as the best lefty reliever in the minors.
Guys like Stevens and Ascanio should not be judged... unless you want to judge guys like Berg (0.75 ERA in 12.0 IP) and Esmailin Caridad (1.41 ERA in 19.1 IP) the same way.
<b>I just don't get it. How do you find the K-Rods/Joe Nathans/Sorias if you never give your guys a chance.</b>
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You don't. But you (generally) don't win by filling your bullpen with those guys either.
This team needs to develop the next stars from their system. But it also needs to play to win now. I don't see how it is a bad idea to get Grabow/Capps. I don't get the Hendry hatred over fucking Grabow and Capps. We are not talking about buying a full pen. We aren't talking about spending 10mm on a single reliever. We arent' talking about a deal that stopped him from doing anything else relevant. We are talking about making sure there was some help in the pen to back up some very risky young guys.
What am I missing? Are guys (other than KB, who we all know hates nearly anything Hendry does) really bashing Hendry for resigning Grabow to a low risk, low cost deal, and for pursuing a guy like Capps who could be a strong contributor to the pen and a backup closer if something goes wrong?
Scarey - I'm with you - you need to roll the dice on kids with a few of your slots. I'm just not supporting doing it with every slot in your pen.