12-24-2009, 12:17 PM
<!--quoteo(post=72917:date=Dec 24 2009, 08:44 AM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Dec 24 2009, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72909:date=Dec 24 2009, 02:50 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Dec 24 2009, 02:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Like in most sports, coaches and GMs get too much credit when it goes well, and too much blame when it doesn't. I think Hendry is an illustration of that. He got a lot of credit for the back to back post season trips<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
actually, on this board? Not so much. Standing rules are if the Cubs lose, it's all Hendry's fault. If they win, it's because he had a huge payroll. There is no credit.
Otherwise, great post. It's nice not being the only guy having to make these arguments.
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What am I? Chopped liver?
I do want to make a point here as well. Everyone blasts BT and myself for being Hendry supporters all the time. I think people don't understand that it's not the fact that we like Hendry. I can't speak 100% for BT, but I can tell you that I just think Hendry is the easy target and get's blamed for problems when really... it's no one single person that caused us to get swept in the playoffs in 2007/2008. Or to underachieve this last year. I think cherp illustrated this point pretty well. Good stuff cherp.
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Apologies Scarey. And yes, you've summed up my feelings nicely. I'm actually not a huge fan of Hendry, and I would put him probably somewhere in the second half when ranking "best GMs in baseball". I just think he gets unreasonable shit from people. As, I might add, does pretty much every GM from a team not winning championships.
I'll let you and Ace slug it out, but I'll just add that while I find Ace's statement perfectly reasonable, and to an extent I "agree" with it, I just don't think it can be that great of a metric, if shifting one 3 year span one single year, makes it go from a horrible indictment of a GM's inadequacy to showing the team essentially playing as it should. I don't think cost per win is very effective on a year per year basis due to myriad factors out of the GM's control, and I've already shown how even grouping things in 3 year spans can be manipulated quite easily to show 2 different outcomes.
Merry Christmas, I'm outta here.
actually, on this board? Not so much. Standing rules are if the Cubs lose, it's all Hendry's fault. If they win, it's because he had a huge payroll. There is no credit.
Otherwise, great post. It's nice not being the only guy having to make these arguments.
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What am I? Chopped liver?
I do want to make a point here as well. Everyone blasts BT and myself for being Hendry supporters all the time. I think people don't understand that it's not the fact that we like Hendry. I can't speak 100% for BT, but I can tell you that I just think Hendry is the easy target and get's blamed for problems when really... it's no one single person that caused us to get swept in the playoffs in 2007/2008. Or to underachieve this last year. I think cherp illustrated this point pretty well. Good stuff cherp.
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Apologies Scarey. And yes, you've summed up my feelings nicely. I'm actually not a huge fan of Hendry, and I would put him probably somewhere in the second half when ranking "best GMs in baseball". I just think he gets unreasonable shit from people. As, I might add, does pretty much every GM from a team not winning championships.
I'll let you and Ace slug it out, but I'll just add that while I find Ace's statement perfectly reasonable, and to an extent I "agree" with it, I just don't think it can be that great of a metric, if shifting one 3 year span one single year, makes it go from a horrible indictment of a GM's inadequacy to showing the team essentially playing as it should. I don't think cost per win is very effective on a year per year basis due to myriad factors out of the GM's control, and I've already shown how even grouping things in 3 year spans can be manipulated quite easily to show 2 different outcomes.
Merry Christmas, I'm outta here.
I wish that I believed in Fate. I wish I didn't sleep so late. I used to be carried in the arms of cheerleaders.