12-21-2009, 01:26 PM
<!--quoteo(post=72630:date=Dec 21 2009, 12:17 PM:name=TheHugeUnit)-->QUOTE (TheHugeUnit @ Dec 21 2009, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72625:date=Dec 21 2009, 09:21 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Dec 21 2009, 09:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72624:date=Dec 21 2009, 09:19 AM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Dec 21 2009, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72620:date=Dec 21 2009, 08:38 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Dec 21 2009, 08:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Ellsbury does not equal Fuld. I don't understand why people on this board put him in the 4th OFer category. Makes no sense to me.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't think anyone's making Ellsbury out to be a 4th outfielder. I think Coach is just trying to say that he's not as god-like as he's made out to be. The guy has only gotten on base at a .350 clip. Don't get me wrong, I like .350 OBP. It's just not good enough for the hype that Ellsbury gets.
Now, the stolen base ability is quite an asset. But, I think you have to guage the realistic value of stolen bases. I think it can be very helpful but again is over hyped.
I've said it before, but I really would be fine with Fuld in center as half of a platoon. That being said, I would be happy to bring Gardner in. We could do much worse than Melky as well. Do the Cubs have anything the Yankees need?
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Do they still need bullpen arms? I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what the Yanks' needs are.
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Yankees have a ton of bullpen arms in the system, but we could use a legit set up man perhaps. I know Cash is looking for a starting pitcher, he's look at Sheets according to reports. I wouldn't want to deal Gardner, in fact I'd be pretty pissed off to deal off a guy with amazing defense and is almost an automatic stolen base. The problem with Gardner is he's in a Yankee lineup were everyone has power and he tries to jack one and messes up his swing. Once K-Long got it in place he went on a .380 streak and then broke his thumb. When he came back Melky was hitting so Brett didn't get much time at the end of the year. I'd rather trade Melky personally.
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How about John Grabow? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]
Just out of curiosity, with Granderson aboard, how do guys like Gardner and Melky fit into your plan? I understand that depth is a great thing to have, but it seems to me those two would have more value in a trade for something of need rather than sitting on your bench most of the time. Would they be used for defensive replacements/ pinch runners? Or are you going to shift Granderson to a corner and play Gardner in CF?
Welcome aboard BTW. We find it nice to get an outsider's perspective, so feel free to make yourself at home.
I don't think anyone's making Ellsbury out to be a 4th outfielder. I think Coach is just trying to say that he's not as god-like as he's made out to be. The guy has only gotten on base at a .350 clip. Don't get me wrong, I like .350 OBP. It's just not good enough for the hype that Ellsbury gets.
Now, the stolen base ability is quite an asset. But, I think you have to guage the realistic value of stolen bases. I think it can be very helpful but again is over hyped.
I've said it before, but I really would be fine with Fuld in center as half of a platoon. That being said, I would be happy to bring Gardner in. We could do much worse than Melky as well. Do the Cubs have anything the Yankees need?
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Do they still need bullpen arms? I'm scratching my head trying to figure out what the Yanks' needs are.
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Yankees have a ton of bullpen arms in the system, but we could use a legit set up man perhaps. I know Cash is looking for a starting pitcher, he's look at Sheets according to reports. I wouldn't want to deal Gardner, in fact I'd be pretty pissed off to deal off a guy with amazing defense and is almost an automatic stolen base. The problem with Gardner is he's in a Yankee lineup were everyone has power and he tries to jack one and messes up his swing. Once K-Long got it in place he went on a .380 streak and then broke his thumb. When he came back Melky was hitting so Brett didn't get much time at the end of the year. I'd rather trade Melky personally.
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How about John Grabow? [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wink.gif[/img]
Just out of curiosity, with Granderson aboard, how do guys like Gardner and Melky fit into your plan? I understand that depth is a great thing to have, but it seems to me those two would have more value in a trade for something of need rather than sitting on your bench most of the time. Would they be used for defensive replacements/ pinch runners? Or are you going to shift Granderson to a corner and play Gardner in CF?
Welcome aboard BTW. We find it nice to get an outsider's perspective, so feel free to make yourself at home.