12-19-2009, 11:25 AM
<!--quoteo(post=72450:date=Dec 19 2009, 09:19 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Dec 19 2009, 09:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72444:date=Dec 19 2009, 07:19 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 19 2009, 07:19 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72440:date=Dec 19 2009, 01:13 AM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 19 2009, 01:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=72432:date=Dec 18 2009, 09:56 PM:name=dk123)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (dk123 @ Dec 18 2009, 09:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->How about none of the above, unless it's a one year deal.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Jeez. And that would be a <i>best</i>-case situation.
Should we add Coco Crisp to the list? His 94 career OPS+ would be <i>real</i> uninspiring if he didn't have a lot of other skills. He's one of the best defensive CFers in the game, and runs the bases real well. Of course, that makes him a slightly better Juan Pierre. Here's what SI.com had to say, FWIW (not much):
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How is that possibly true? Crisp is as valuable as Bay? That makes no sense.
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Yeah, Crisp in his best season barely was as good as Bay during his worst full season. I'm not sure I buy into these VORP stats across the board.
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Stat use is pretty hard line, Rok...if you apply the rule to one thing, it typically means you have to apply it across the board.
Jeez. And that would be a <i>best</i>-case situation.
Should we add Coco Crisp to the list? His 94 career OPS+ would be <i>real</i> uninspiring if he didn't have a lot of other skills. He's one of the best defensive CFers in the game, and runs the bases real well. Of course, that makes him a slightly better Juan Pierre. Here's what SI.com had to say, FWIW (not much):
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Coco Crisp: some team is going to get a real bargain with him, assuming that he's something near his usual self after undergoing double shoulder surgery this year. (His agent, Steve Comte, says he'll be ready for spring training.) Crisp is a spectacular defender, one of the best outfielders in the game, and his running is good for 20 or more bases a year. Together with essentially average hitting, he's worth three to four wins more than a Quadruple-A scrub when healthy. That's in the range of what Jason Bay has done the last two years.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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How is that possibly true? Crisp is as valuable as Bay? That makes no sense.
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Yeah, Crisp in his best season barely was as good as Bay during his worst full season. I'm not sure I buy into these VORP stats across the board.
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Stat use is pretty hard line, Rok...if you apply the rule to one thing, it typically means you have to apply it across the board.