12-14-2008, 04:54 AM
<!--quoteo(post=4620:date=Dec 14 2008, 12:49 AM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 14 2008, 12:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4561:date=Dec 13 2008, 05:06 PM:name=Giff)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Giff @ Dec 13 2008, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4559:date=Dec 13 2008, 04:58 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Dec 13 2008, 04:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=4531:date=Dec 13 2008, 02:24 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Dec 13 2008, 02:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Dunn is a bad baseball decision for any NL team unless he can learn to play 1B. Just sayin.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
And by that line of reasoning, signing Manny Ramirez, even for one year, is a bad decision. Because he's a worse fielder than Dunn.
Oh...unless you consider<i> hitting</i> to be worth anything. Then both players are pretty good options.
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Sorry, but you just compared the greatest right handed hitter of our time to a guy that is a career .247 hitter. That doesn't work.
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I compared their <i>fielding</i>.
But I did enjoy your notion that a ballplayer's entire offensive value can be expressed through batting average.
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You implied that Manny's fielding lowered his value just as much as it does Dunn's. But you can handle a poor fielding guy if he's as great as Manny. However if a guy is going to have a .899 career OPS (since I know you think that's the most important stat), he needs to be a better fielder.
And I don't recall saying batting average expresses all value...I'm not dumb enough to think that batting average is the be all end all. I know that there isn't a single stat that says how good (or bad) a player is. In most cases, all the stats combined don't tell the whole story about players. That's what my eyes are for.
And by that line of reasoning, signing Manny Ramirez, even for one year, is a bad decision. Because he's a worse fielder than Dunn.
Oh...unless you consider<i> hitting</i> to be worth anything. Then both players are pretty good options.
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Sorry, but you just compared the greatest right handed hitter of our time to a guy that is a career .247 hitter. That doesn't work.
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I compared their <i>fielding</i>.
But I did enjoy your notion that a ballplayer's entire offensive value can be expressed through batting average.
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You implied that Manny's fielding lowered his value just as much as it does Dunn's. But you can handle a poor fielding guy if he's as great as Manny. However if a guy is going to have a .899 career OPS (since I know you think that's the most important stat), he needs to be a better fielder.
And I don't recall saying batting average expresses all value...I'm not dumb enough to think that batting average is the be all end all. I know that there isn't a single stat that says how good (or bad) a player is. In most cases, all the stats combined don't tell the whole story about players. That's what my eyes are for.
The thing you need to remember is that all Cardinals fans and all White Sox fans are very bad people. It's a fact that has been scientifically proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Being a Cubs fan is the only path to rightousness and piousness. Cardinal and White Sox fans exist to be the dark, diabolical forces that oppose us. They are the yin to our yang, the Joker to our Batman, the demon to our angel, the insurgence to our freedom, the oil to our water, the club to our baby seal. Their happiness occurs only in direct conflict with everything that is pure and good in this world.
-Dirk
-Dirk