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Ibanez to Phillies
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<!--quoteo(post=4445:date=Dec 13 2008, 01:58 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Dec 13 2008, 01:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Problem is you're comparing a RF with LF, and believe me if Dunn played all his games in RF he'd end up ranked lower than Abreu. I don't care how much he's supposedly regressed.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

Rok, that's a fair point, I suppose. So what you're saying is that, yes, Abreu may be the worst defensive RF in baseball, but it's possible/likely that if Dunn were signed by Jim, and switched to RF, his defense would be as bad, or worse.

I agree. Although it'd be close. They're both lousy defenders.
And conversely, they're both outstanding OBP guys.
So, in comparing the two, so far, it's a wash.

Now let's add in this: Adam Dunn is 28. Abreu is 36.
<i>Eight</i> years older.

And then this: Abreu hits about 19 HR a year. His last 3 years: 15, 16, 20.
Dunn hits 40 homers. Every year. Every SINGLE year. For the past 4 seasons, he has hit exactly 40 home runs every single season. That has to be some sort of record for exactitude in consistency.
Five years ago he pounded 46, so yes, you could say he dropped off a bit, but he still is a mortal lock to outhomer Abreu by at least <i>double</i>.

To me, there's no comparison.
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Ibanez to Phillies - by ruby23 - 12-12-2008, 09:17 AM
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Ibanez to Phillies - by Destined - 12-18-2008, 03:24 PM
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Ibanez to Phillies - by cigar - 12-18-2008, 08:58 PM
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