11-20-2009, 11:23 AM
<!--quoteo(post=69741:date=Nov 20 2009, 10:12 AM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Nov 20 2009, 10:12 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=69739:date=Nov 20 2009, 09:01 AM:name=Dirk)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dirk @ Nov 20 2009, 09:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=69727:date=Nov 20 2009, 08:53 AM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Nov 20 2009, 08:53 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=69622:date=Nov 19 2009, 04:30 PM:name=Dirk)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dirk @ Nov 19 2009, 04:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=69617:date=Nov 19 2009, 03:43 PM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ Nov 19 2009, 03:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--QuoteBegin-"Jayson Stark"+--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE ("Jayson Stark")<!--QuoteEBegin-->One scout's review of the best player he saw in the Arizona Fall League -- 19-year-old Cubs middle-infield stud Starlin Castro: "A young Hanley Ramirez."<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
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I know some people have scoffed at the Hanley Ramirez comparisons because of Castro's lack of power, but Ramirez hit a grand total of 29 hrs in about 400 minor league games. Just sayin.
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I will say this - Castro's minor league numbers, so far, compare pretty favorably to Ramirez's at the same age.
I am not anti-Castro. I'd probably put him as the one or two prospect in the system, too. I just don't want us to fall victim to the same old problem we've had with prospects whom other teams might salivate over. Statistically, most stud prospects do not pan out.
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Statistically as in, there's no mathematical evidence per se, you just kind of made it up? More like, you've seen the Cubs get burned by a few guys who didn't pan out and now it seems like no hyped prospect is ever going to pan out? The Cubs should be able to evaluate every minor leaguer independently. If you're going to take the stance that it is statistically unlikely that a 'stud' prospect is going to amount to much then why not make it an organizational policy that the second any guy has relative minor league success and receives any kind of media attention, it's time to trade him right away. (just make sure you get more than Curtis Granderson in return)
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if that's the way ace feels, isn't it understandable? there's is a literal laundry list of cub prospects that were supposed to be the next big thing and almost none of them has panned out, or if they did, it was for a year or two.
i really don't know shit about castro, but when i hear the hyperbole surrounding this guy, i have a hard time not rolling my eyes. based solely on past experience, i'd trade this guy now while he still has value, that's me. it's based on nothing but my ample gut, which when it comes to the cubs, is right more than it's wrong.
just my opinion, rip it if you want. i've been cubbed for too long now to get excited about a 19 year old kid. the next hanley ramirez? sure, no problem.
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You know what- I actually don't know much about Castro myself other than a cursory glance at his stats. He could be completely over-hyped, he could be the next Hanley Ramirez, I have no idea, that's not really my point. I understand the trepidation over a Cubs prospect when the track record is not good. I even think a healthy amount of cynicism when it comes to prospects is a very good thing. My whole thing is this- we have to be able to independently evaluate every prospect and not just lump them in with Corey Patterson and Felix Pie and unload them to the first team that dangles a .250 hitter in our face. Them, if the evaluation comes back that the guy probably won't live up to the hype, shit man, trade em. Just make sure you get maximum value.
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I know some people have scoffed at the Hanley Ramirez comparisons because of Castro's lack of power, but Ramirez hit a grand total of 29 hrs in about 400 minor league games. Just sayin.
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I will say this - Castro's minor league numbers, so far, compare pretty favorably to Ramirez's at the same age.
I am not anti-Castro. I'd probably put him as the one or two prospect in the system, too. I just don't want us to fall victim to the same old problem we've had with prospects whom other teams might salivate over. Statistically, most stud prospects do not pan out.
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Statistically as in, there's no mathematical evidence per se, you just kind of made it up? More like, you've seen the Cubs get burned by a few guys who didn't pan out and now it seems like no hyped prospect is ever going to pan out? The Cubs should be able to evaluate every minor leaguer independently. If you're going to take the stance that it is statistically unlikely that a 'stud' prospect is going to amount to much then why not make it an organizational policy that the second any guy has relative minor league success and receives any kind of media attention, it's time to trade him right away. (just make sure you get more than Curtis Granderson in return)
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if that's the way ace feels, isn't it understandable? there's is a literal laundry list of cub prospects that were supposed to be the next big thing and almost none of them has panned out, or if they did, it was for a year or two.
i really don't know shit about castro, but when i hear the hyperbole surrounding this guy, i have a hard time not rolling my eyes. based solely on past experience, i'd trade this guy now while he still has value, that's me. it's based on nothing but my ample gut, which when it comes to the cubs, is right more than it's wrong.
just my opinion, rip it if you want. i've been cubbed for too long now to get excited about a 19 year old kid. the next hanley ramirez? sure, no problem.
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You know what- I actually don't know much about Castro myself other than a cursory glance at his stats. He could be completely over-hyped, he could be the next Hanley Ramirez, I have no idea, that's not really my point. I understand the trepidation over a Cubs prospect when the track record is not good. I even think a healthy amount of cynicism when it comes to prospects is a very good thing. My whole thing is this- we have to be able to independently evaluate every prospect and not just lump them in with Corey Patterson and Felix Pie and unload them to the first team that dangles a .250 hitter in our face. Them, if the evaluation comes back that the guy probably won't live up to the hype, shit man, trade em. Just make sure you get maximum value.