10-02-2009, 02:00 PM
<!--quoteo(post=65000:date=Oct 2 2009, 11:30 AM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Oct 2 2009, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->(from the article) The funny thing about people are who bothered by stats is that they (almost without fail) tend to use<b> other</b> stats as a battering ram.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
It's funny that this line was actually in the article (and even highlighted by me), and yet both tom and Sipes did exactly that.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I certainly won't argue that traditional fans use old stats as a battering ram against new stats, it happens a lot, but I think it happens for good reason.
There are MANY fans these days that completely ignore and even act like non saber-metric stats are stupid and ridiculous.
I've seen threads on NSBB where people laughed and made fun of people who used RBIs as a stat and even saw one where 4 or 5 guys piled on someone for using batting average.
I think that's the real issue in the "likes/hates stats" debate. Its like politics. You have your people that rely on old stats and see Sabermatricians as "dice rolling computer nerds who don't watch games" and the mostly younger fans who use Sabermetrics see the other people as "stupid old fans who have let the game pass them by."
Just like politics, I think both extremes are pretty stupid, there is simply just more tools and ways of evaluating players now and it has definitely changed the game for the better.
It's funny that this line was actually in the article (and even highlighted by me), and yet both tom and Sipes did exactly that.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I certainly won't argue that traditional fans use old stats as a battering ram against new stats, it happens a lot, but I think it happens for good reason.
There are MANY fans these days that completely ignore and even act like non saber-metric stats are stupid and ridiculous.
I've seen threads on NSBB where people laughed and made fun of people who used RBIs as a stat and even saw one where 4 or 5 guys piled on someone for using batting average.
I think that's the real issue in the "likes/hates stats" debate. Its like politics. You have your people that rely on old stats and see Sabermatricians as "dice rolling computer nerds who don't watch games" and the mostly younger fans who use Sabermetrics see the other people as "stupid old fans who have let the game pass them by."
Just like politics, I think both extremes are pretty stupid, there is simply just more tools and ways of evaluating players now and it has definitely changed the game for the better.