09-30-2009, 07:26 PM
<!--quoteo(post=64862:date=Sep 30 2009, 07:22 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Sep 30 2009, 07:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=64839:date=Sep 30 2009, 04:31 PM:name=FlyAtTheThigh)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FlyAtTheThigh @ Sep 30 2009, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=64833:date=Sep 30 2009, 05:07 PM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Sep 30 2009, 05:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=64820:date=Sep 30 2009, 02:38 PM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Sep 30 2009, 02:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Don't tell Scarey Z's not an Ace...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Carlos Zambrano's 162 game averages:
IP: 212
ERA: 3.50
SO: 181
ERA+: 127
Roy Halladay's 162 game averages:
IP: 232
ERA: 3.45
SO: 169
ERA+: 133
The only thing that Halladay is decisively better than Zambrano in is innings pitched, and there's nobody besides Halladay in this era that can throw 230 innings every single year.
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Those are nice, but Z hasn't had numbers as good as his averages over the last 3 years. I wasn't contending in my text to PCB that he wasn't an ace in the past, just that he no longer is one, to me, now.
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That's a valid point. But what makes you think Zambrano isn't capable of his career averages anymore?
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I'm just going by recent history. And the high workload Zambrano experienced as a youngster. He could have a Roger Clemens like career...but to post his career numbers, which he hasn't performed at for the last 3 years, and measure them against Halladay in an attempt to validate Z doesn't make sense. And, like I just posted, it's a faulty comparison considering their leagues/divisions.
Carlos Zambrano's 162 game averages:
IP: 212
ERA: 3.50
SO: 181
ERA+: 127
Roy Halladay's 162 game averages:
IP: 232
ERA: 3.45
SO: 169
ERA+: 133
The only thing that Halladay is decisively better than Zambrano in is innings pitched, and there's nobody besides Halladay in this era that can throw 230 innings every single year.
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Those are nice, but Z hasn't had numbers as good as his averages over the last 3 years. I wasn't contending in my text to PCB that he wasn't an ace in the past, just that he no longer is one, to me, now.
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That's a valid point. But what makes you think Zambrano isn't capable of his career averages anymore?
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I'm just going by recent history. And the high workload Zambrano experienced as a youngster. He could have a Roger Clemens like career...but to post his career numbers, which he hasn't performed at for the last 3 years, and measure them against Halladay in an attempt to validate Z doesn't make sense. And, like I just posted, it's a faulty comparison considering their leagues/divisions.