Antichrist

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i agree, with both of you on some points. i think von trier makes movies for himself, well, i know he does because he says that over and over. i watch his movies with that in mind, that he's not trying to get people to see his movies per say but to show off how "deep" he can get plus how artistic some of his shots can be. i don't really rate or judge my experience with this movie based on comparisons with films in general but more how much was i moved, be it disgusted, confused, riveted, shocked, interested or all out fascinated. it did those things to me a bunch and then some. it just feels pretentious and lame to say this but i watched it and have been reflecting on it more as a work of art from the fucked up scenes to the artsy filming technique to the flat out incredible acting performances than an actual movie for public consumption.

again, i agree with a lot of what you said butch, and i think a few of those points are why i think of this film in a really positive light. it's not that i enjoyed some of those things but that they were able to actually shock and do other things to me and it takes a lot to do that these days. can i say that it's not so much that i enjoy the film but still think it's really good? obviously i can't really explain what i think about it very properly. i could probably talk about it for days but to sum it up in a post like this is proving pretty difficult.