09-24-2009, 09:19 PM
<!--quoteo(post=64297:date=Sep 24 2009, 12:48 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Sep 24 2009, 12:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=64243:date=Sep 24 2009, 08:21 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Sep 24 2009, 08:21 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=64223:date=Sep 23 2009, 10:46 PM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Sep 23 2009, 10:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Boy, I sound like a complete dick in the above post.
Anyway, to get back to Butcher's original question, I think you can make examples for both ways. Ideally, you want everybody getting along, helping each other out, and going out for beers together after the game. But I think we've seen quite a few of those types of team right here in Chicago, and often, they seem <i>too</i> mellow to succeed at professional sports.
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don't sweat it kb, bt came off as a far bigger dick than you did.
and the bonds example was much better than the reggie example, which didn't make much sense.
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For the record, I wasn't pissed off, but I will have SOME reaction when someone calls my points "dumb", TWICE. That's pretty much a natural reaction, I would think. Not sure how I end up being a "dick" for responding to it.
And again, you rip the Jackson example, for a third time, without actually, you know, explaining why it's so dumb. I'm not buying your "everyone was a cancer on every good team Reggie played for" argument, unless of course you have something to back it up. I could be forgetting the time Gene Tenace raped a mentally disabled schoolgirl.
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i gotta be honest bt, when i said the reggie thing was dumb (and it is) i thought i was responding to kb. but whatever.
i've been hearing about the oakland teams of the 70s forever and i always heard the whole team was crazy, not just reggie. in fact, i found it funny you mentioned joe rudi first, because i always heard he was a douchebag. i'm sure there's documentation out there, but i won't look for it. i guarantee there are other people here who've heard about the early 70s A's.
one thing i never heard? that oakland was a bunch on angels except for reggie. never heard that one. now was every team reggie played on cancerous? no, just two as far as i know. i'm certain the orioles and the angels were just fine, but who knows.
Anyway, to get back to Butcher's original question, I think you can make examples for both ways. Ideally, you want everybody getting along, helping each other out, and going out for beers together after the game. But I think we've seen quite a few of those types of team right here in Chicago, and often, they seem <i>too</i> mellow to succeed at professional sports.
Often times in sports, like in art, emotional pain equals extra effort.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
don't sweat it kb, bt came off as a far bigger dick than you did.
and the bonds example was much better than the reggie example, which didn't make much sense.
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For the record, I wasn't pissed off, but I will have SOME reaction when someone calls my points "dumb", TWICE. That's pretty much a natural reaction, I would think. Not sure how I end up being a "dick" for responding to it.
And again, you rip the Jackson example, for a third time, without actually, you know, explaining why it's so dumb. I'm not buying your "everyone was a cancer on every good team Reggie played for" argument, unless of course you have something to back it up. I could be forgetting the time Gene Tenace raped a mentally disabled schoolgirl.
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i gotta be honest bt, when i said the reggie thing was dumb (and it is) i thought i was responding to kb. but whatever.
i've been hearing about the oakland teams of the 70s forever and i always heard the whole team was crazy, not just reggie. in fact, i found it funny you mentioned joe rudi first, because i always heard he was a douchebag. i'm sure there's documentation out there, but i won't look for it. i guarantee there are other people here who've heard about the early 70s A's.
one thing i never heard? that oakland was a bunch on angels except for reggie. never heard that one. now was every team reggie played on cancerous? no, just two as far as i know. i'm certain the orioles and the angels were just fine, but who knows.
Wang.