08-27-2009, 01:37 PM
<!--quoteo(post=60363:date=Aug 27 2009, 12:17 PM:name=Scarey)-->QUOTE (Scarey @ Aug 27 2009, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60361:date=Aug 27 2009, 11:50 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Aug 27 2009, 11:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60343:date=Aug 27 2009, 10:13 AM:name=Scarey)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Scarey @ Aug 27 2009, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=60340:date=Aug 27 2009, 10:09 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Aug 27 2009, 10:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'm still trying to understand something here. Again, if a guy is being racist, it doesn't matter if every single person in the stands agrees with him. If he is being loud enough for a player to hear it, he must be loud enough for security to hear it, right? Especially in the bleachers. IIRC there is security in either every aisle, or every other aisle. How are they missing this?
I'm not doubting there are racist Cub fans. I am doubting that they are stupid enough to broadcast their racism in front of 40,000 people, and clever enough to avoid security while doing it.
To put it another way, I am more than happy (and very likely) to be calling Theriot a stupid fucking cocksucker in the confines of my home. But I wouldn't dream of screaming that at him while I sit in the stands.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Did you not see the dumbfuck that threw beer on Victorino? And that guy didn't even get caught initially, so there goes the theory that security/other fans would take care of the problem. Fans do stupid things and get away with them. I've been in the bleachers while people have said some really nasty things to the opposing players. Not racist, but sexual which can be as bad or worse IMO.
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I'm not following your argument. A dumbfuck threw beer on Victorino. And security was all over him within seconds. The fact that they got the wrong guy proves nothing, other than it's difficult to figure out one perpetrator in a large group. If your argument is that security might not be able to tell which specific person is shouting slurs, I might agree. But the fact that security narrowed down who threw the beer within 2 seats of the perpetrator and within 10 seconds of the event would seem to prove my point, rather than dispute it.
furthermore, I think you are also proving my point when you related your experience. I have no doubt that people will feel comfortable shouting nasty sexual things to a player in a crowd in 2009. I have severe doubts they will feel comfortable screaming the N word (i can't even type it in context) in a crowd in 2009. Your experience seems to support that.
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I think I've typed multiple times that nobody is saying the N word. Nobody. Nobody is screaming the N word.
Nobody.
No
body
.
But, if someone says something about watermellon, or chicken wings, or says something about being a a hispanic player being a landscaper, or an Asian player not knowing how to drive or have buck teeth... I don't think people are gonna jump on the person. As I said, everyone's going to feel uncomfortable and pretend it didn't happen.
Racial slurs don't emcompass one freaking word.
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scarey, i am 100% sure that if someone made "watermelon" comment or a "chicken" comment or a "big lip" comment or any other racial slur, they'd be dealt with as quickly and as severely as if they dropped the n-word. i'd bet my life on it.
I'm not doubting there are racist Cub fans. I am doubting that they are stupid enough to broadcast their racism in front of 40,000 people, and clever enough to avoid security while doing it.
To put it another way, I am more than happy (and very likely) to be calling Theriot a stupid fucking cocksucker in the confines of my home. But I wouldn't dream of screaming that at him while I sit in the stands.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Did you not see the dumbfuck that threw beer on Victorino? And that guy didn't even get caught initially, so there goes the theory that security/other fans would take care of the problem. Fans do stupid things and get away with them. I've been in the bleachers while people have said some really nasty things to the opposing players. Not racist, but sexual which can be as bad or worse IMO.
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I'm not following your argument. A dumbfuck threw beer on Victorino. And security was all over him within seconds. The fact that they got the wrong guy proves nothing, other than it's difficult to figure out one perpetrator in a large group. If your argument is that security might not be able to tell which specific person is shouting slurs, I might agree. But the fact that security narrowed down who threw the beer within 2 seats of the perpetrator and within 10 seconds of the event would seem to prove my point, rather than dispute it.
furthermore, I think you are also proving my point when you related your experience. I have no doubt that people will feel comfortable shouting nasty sexual things to a player in a crowd in 2009. I have severe doubts they will feel comfortable screaming the N word (i can't even type it in context) in a crowd in 2009. Your experience seems to support that.
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I think I've typed multiple times that nobody is saying the N word. Nobody. Nobody is screaming the N word.
Nobody.
No
body
.
But, if someone says something about watermellon, or chicken wings, or says something about being a a hispanic player being a landscaper, or an Asian player not knowing how to drive or have buck teeth... I don't think people are gonna jump on the person. As I said, everyone's going to feel uncomfortable and pretend it didn't happen.
Racial slurs don't emcompass one freaking word.
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scarey, i am 100% sure that if someone made "watermelon" comment or a "chicken" comment or a "big lip" comment or any other racial slur, they'd be dealt with as quickly and as severely as if they dropped the n-word. i'd bet my life on it.
Wang.