08-21-2009, 09:40 AM
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->That payroll was very deceiving - I don't recall if it was Top 5 or not (USA Today's Salary DB would answer that Q if we looked) but it was bouyed by the money that the Phillies and the DBacks/Yanks sent over with Thome/Vazquez. The Sox expenditure during those years was lower than it looked. It was also pumped up, short term, with the extra revenue from the World Series - and the subsequent ticket sales. While they have retained some of it, they have lost a good chunk also.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
You understand that all of this is completely irrelevant to your point, right? You wanted to know what KW would do with a large payroll. He's had it for the last 3 years. It doesn't matter who is actually paying for Jim Thome, KW still has him. He has a 15 million dollar player on his payroll. It doesn't matter who is footing the bill. If the Sox were only paying half of Thome's salary, it's not as if they are only getting half of his production.
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Ok - I'll look it up - I'm curious. #12 with 96mm this year, #5 with 121mm last year (Money from Philly paid for Thome), #5 at 108 in 07 (and a shitty team).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Again, a bit misleading, as the Sox now have at least (I think) another 15 million on for Peavy and Rios. So the Sox payroll this year is at least 110 million which would put them very close to #5 again.
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Yeah - not a small market payroll at all. But still 30% smaller than most of the Cubs teams - and they had to take on players who other teams were paying to get rid of (javy and Thome) just to do it. Give a guy like Williams $130mm free and clear - I think he acts differently. Not sure if that would be better or worse...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This makes no sense. Where are you getting the 30 percent thing? This year only? To sum this up, the Sox have had a higher payroll than the Cubs in 2 of the last 3 years, have nearly a top 5 payroll THIS year, but somehow because other people are paying parts of the contracts, Kenny payroll is less? The only way your analysis works is if it's exactly the OPPOSITE of what you are saying. If the Sox were paying the Phillies for Thomes to play for the Phillies, then Kenny's payroll numbers would be misleading. But it's the opposite. Regardless of who is cutting the checks, Kenny has had a top 5 salary roster to work with for the last 3 years.
You understand that all of this is completely irrelevant to your point, right? You wanted to know what KW would do with a large payroll. He's had it for the last 3 years. It doesn't matter who is actually paying for Jim Thome, KW still has him. He has a 15 million dollar player on his payroll. It doesn't matter who is footing the bill. If the Sox were only paying half of Thome's salary, it's not as if they are only getting half of his production.
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Ok - I'll look it up - I'm curious. #12 with 96mm this year, #5 with 121mm last year (Money from Philly paid for Thome), #5 at 108 in 07 (and a shitty team).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Again, a bit misleading, as the Sox now have at least (I think) another 15 million on for Peavy and Rios. So the Sox payroll this year is at least 110 million which would put them very close to #5 again.
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Yeah - not a small market payroll at all. But still 30% smaller than most of the Cubs teams - and they had to take on players who other teams were paying to get rid of (javy and Thome) just to do it. Give a guy like Williams $130mm free and clear - I think he acts differently. Not sure if that would be better or worse...<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This makes no sense. Where are you getting the 30 percent thing? This year only? To sum this up, the Sox have had a higher payroll than the Cubs in 2 of the last 3 years, have nearly a top 5 payroll THIS year, but somehow because other people are paying parts of the contracts, Kenny payroll is less? The only way your analysis works is if it's exactly the OPPOSITE of what you are saying. If the Sox were paying the Phillies for Thomes to play for the Phillies, then Kenny's payroll numbers would be misleading. But it's the opposite. Regardless of who is cutting the checks, Kenny has had a top 5 salary roster to work with for the last 3 years.
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