08-10-2009, 03:57 PM
<!--quoteo(post=56767:date=Aug 10 2009, 01:13 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Aug 10 2009, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=56761:date=Aug 10 2009, 12:45 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Aug 10 2009, 12:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=56743:date=Aug 10 2009, 11:33 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Aug 10 2009, 11:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=56742:date=Aug 10 2009, 11:30 AM:name=PcB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PcB @ Aug 10 2009, 11:30 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->- trading DeRosa for three low-impact minor league pitchers who aren't going to help the team this season (whether they'll ever help the team remains to be seen)<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Jeff Stevens has been pretty fucking good in the pen.
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Yeah. That 7.36 ERA in 7.1 IP has been fucking phenomenal.
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Coming from the guy who is saying that DeRosa and his .222 avg and .276 OBP has saved the Cardinals? Stats aren't always your friend.
Up until yesterday, Stevens WAS really good in the pen.
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Convenient that you left out his .500 SLG and 8 HR. Stats can be your friend if you use them correctly. And if you think DeRosa is going to continue hitting .222 with the Cards, well...you're probably wrong.
My point with Stevens wasn't that he has sucked with the Cubs -- it's that it's too early to tell (7.1 IP). And that he's unlikely to make much of an impact anytime soon.
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aaaaaand you miss my point. Bringing up Stevens ERA the day after he gets lit up in Colorado is no more fair than leaving out DeRosa's slugging percentage. He had a 2.84 ERA on Saturday. Does that tell us anything about him? Probably not.
to put it another way, Stevens has been very effective in 4 out of his 6 outings, so your usage of his ERA to refute PCB is kind of bullshitty. Just like you, I can find stats that refute your position, but don't necessarily tell the whole story.
I also find it interesting that it's simply madness to think DeRosa will hit .222 the rest of the way, but we are all supposed to take it on faith that he will no doubt slug .500 and stay on a pace to hit 54 home runs over the course of a full year.
Jeff Stevens has been pretty fucking good in the pen.
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Yeah. That 7.36 ERA in 7.1 IP has been fucking phenomenal.
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Coming from the guy who is saying that DeRosa and his .222 avg and .276 OBP has saved the Cardinals? Stats aren't always your friend.
Up until yesterday, Stevens WAS really good in the pen.
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Convenient that you left out his .500 SLG and 8 HR. Stats can be your friend if you use them correctly. And if you think DeRosa is going to continue hitting .222 with the Cards, well...you're probably wrong.
My point with Stevens wasn't that he has sucked with the Cubs -- it's that it's too early to tell (7.1 IP). And that he's unlikely to make much of an impact anytime soon.
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aaaaaand you miss my point. Bringing up Stevens ERA the day after he gets lit up in Colorado is no more fair than leaving out DeRosa's slugging percentage. He had a 2.84 ERA on Saturday. Does that tell us anything about him? Probably not.
to put it another way, Stevens has been very effective in 4 out of his 6 outings, so your usage of his ERA to refute PCB is kind of bullshitty. Just like you, I can find stats that refute your position, but don't necessarily tell the whole story.
I also find it interesting that it's simply madness to think DeRosa will hit .222 the rest of the way, but we are all supposed to take it on faith that he will no doubt slug .500 and stay on a pace to hit 54 home runs over the course of a full year.
I wish that I believed in Fate. I wish I didn't sleep so late. I used to be carried in the arms of cheerleaders.