08-07-2009, 05:54 PM
<!--quoteo(post=56179:date=Aug 6 2009, 06:48 PM:name=Fella)-->QUOTE (Fella @ Aug 6 2009, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Kind of a pointless argument, but Butcher is 100% right.
In 2003 the move we were looking to make was always for a 3rd basemen. We were rumored to be looking at Mike Lowell all season, we had a huge hole at 3B. Ramirez was considered the fallback guy if we didn't get Lowell. I remember checking espn rumor central about Lowell and Ramirez pretty much every day in July. I also remember discussing in depth on ITI/Cubs talk, which 3rd baseman we would acquire, etc. etc.
It was never "The Lofton Trade" at least not on ITI or for me. Ramirez was the reason we made the deal. Lofton was a 2 month hired gun throw in. Ramirez was also hitting .280 with 12 Hr in 90 games when we made the deal, not quite .220 with no power and he already had a .300 30 100 year under his belt.
I definitely remember people saying "Lofton too?! fuck yeah!" but It was always the Ramirez trade. If you remember it the other way, you were either in the minority or you have a bad memory.
That said, I don't think anyone expected Ramirez to be as good as he has been, but we all knew he was a shitload better than what we had, and that he was gonna be around for a while.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As usual, Fella nailed it.
In 2003 the move we were looking to make was always for a 3rd basemen. We were rumored to be looking at Mike Lowell all season, we had a huge hole at 3B. Ramirez was considered the fallback guy if we didn't get Lowell. I remember checking espn rumor central about Lowell and Ramirez pretty much every day in July. I also remember discussing in depth on ITI/Cubs talk, which 3rd baseman we would acquire, etc. etc.
It was never "The Lofton Trade" at least not on ITI or for me. Ramirez was the reason we made the deal. Lofton was a 2 month hired gun throw in. Ramirez was also hitting .280 with 12 Hr in 90 games when we made the deal, not quite .220 with no power and he already had a .300 30 100 year under his belt.
I definitely remember people saying "Lofton too?! fuck yeah!" but It was always the Ramirez trade. If you remember it the other way, you were either in the minority or you have a bad memory.
That said, I don't think anyone expected Ramirez to be as good as he has been, but we all knew he was a shitload better than what we had, and that he was gonna be around for a while.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
As usual, Fella nailed it.