08-06-2009, 06:48 PM
Unfortunately your memories are slightly skewed by the fact Ramirez has been kickass for us for years now.
Before the trade happened was about the time I joined ITI [Cubstalk]. Maybe a few months earlier, but it was about when I started posting.
I recall someone posting a report that Dusty demanded Hendry to "get me a centerfielder and 3rd baseman."
This was after Patterson carried us and went down with the knee injury and Lenny Harris, Mark Bellhorn and Jose Hernandez all spent time hitting like shit at third.
After we traded jack shit for Lofton and Ramirez there were two schools of thought: the Pirates fans' and the Cubs fans'. The only people clamoring about Ramirez being traded were Pirates fans because he was a year and a half removed from a 100rbi, 30 hr season, was with the organization for so many years and showed so much promise, despite the fact that he was getting suspended for throwing his helmet at Ben Sheets, charging the mound, arguing, getting nagging injuries, etc. Basically, their fans were polarized by him because of his immaturity, yet vast potential. The Pirates were done experimenting with him because they couldn't afford the experiment anymore. It's actually very similar to how the Adrian Beltre situation in Los Angeles was.
Now, from our perspective we just landed one of the best leadoff hitters in years, our best leadoff hitter ever and a guy who had potential at 3rd...better third baseman...better being relative because most of ours had been hitting around .200 for 3 months. No one was really paying that much attention to Ramirez around the league because he was batting like .220 with no power. Pittsburgh was for sure, but not us nor anyone in the league. We were like, "Yea we got Lofton <i>and</i> a guy who's better than our 3rd baseman that has potential to be a star for a pile of shit! Hendry is awesome!"
I wonder how many people here will say how pumped they were when we initially traded Choi for Lee...cause not many were initially, but after so contemplation everyone realized Lee was what were hoping to get out of Choi anyway.
Anyway, Ruby's right.
Before the trade happened was about the time I joined ITI [Cubstalk]. Maybe a few months earlier, but it was about when I started posting.
I recall someone posting a report that Dusty demanded Hendry to "get me a centerfielder and 3rd baseman."
This was after Patterson carried us and went down with the knee injury and Lenny Harris, Mark Bellhorn and Jose Hernandez all spent time hitting like shit at third.
After we traded jack shit for Lofton and Ramirez there were two schools of thought: the Pirates fans' and the Cubs fans'. The only people clamoring about Ramirez being traded were Pirates fans because he was a year and a half removed from a 100rbi, 30 hr season, was with the organization for so many years and showed so much promise, despite the fact that he was getting suspended for throwing his helmet at Ben Sheets, charging the mound, arguing, getting nagging injuries, etc. Basically, their fans were polarized by him because of his immaturity, yet vast potential. The Pirates were done experimenting with him because they couldn't afford the experiment anymore. It's actually very similar to how the Adrian Beltre situation in Los Angeles was.
Now, from our perspective we just landed one of the best leadoff hitters in years, our best leadoff hitter ever and a guy who had potential at 3rd...better third baseman...better being relative because most of ours had been hitting around .200 for 3 months. No one was really paying that much attention to Ramirez around the league because he was batting like .220 with no power. Pittsburgh was for sure, but not us nor anyone in the league. We were like, "Yea we got Lofton <i>and</i> a guy who's better than our 3rd baseman that has potential to be a star for a pile of shit! Hendry is awesome!"
I wonder how many people here will say how pumped they were when we initially traded Choi for Lee...cause not many were initially, but after so contemplation everyone realized Lee was what were hoping to get out of Choi anyway.
Anyway, Ruby's right.
If Angelo had picked McClellin, I would have been expecting to hear by training camp that kid has stage 4 cancer, is actually 5'2" 142 lbs, is a chick who played in a 7 - 0 defensive scheme who only rotated in on downs which were 3 and 34 yds + so is not expecting to play a down in the NFL until the sex change is complete and she puts on another 100 lbs. + but this is Emery's first pick so he'll get a pass with a bit of questioning. - 1060Ivy