Pirates Trades (Grabow, Gorzelanny)

[The Dude]

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Not by me.
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Ditto. I was psyched about Lofton, but I had a feeling Ramirez was going to be the jewel of that trade.
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Absolutely.
Lofton was a one year rental to replacement Patterson, but A-Ram was a promising young 3rd baseman.
I was worried about his defense though.
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The shit is thick in here. It was the Lofton Trade by the entire fucking group of us. It was the first time the Cubs had a legitmate shot at going to the playoffs and advancing in forever, none of us were looking to the future, we were looking at winning right now. Patterson had been great and we needed a replacement pronto. Getting one of the best leadoff hitters in recent history is what the trade was about, Ramirez was an afterthought in my mind and yours too.
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I thought Lofton was old and washed up when we got him (and was wrong) and thought Ramirez was a good long term investment (and was right).