07-29-2009, 09:06 AM
<!--quoteo(post=53000:date=Jul 29 2009, 07:24 AM:name=veryzer)-->QUOTE (veryzer @ Jul 29 2009, 07:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52997:date=Jul 29 2009, 07:02 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 29 2009, 07:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52988:date=Jul 29 2009, 06:48 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jul 29 2009, 06:48 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52913:date=Jul 28 2009, 06:55 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Jul 28 2009, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52912:date=Jul 28 2009, 06:48 PM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Jul 28 2009, 06:48 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=52910:date=Jul 28 2009, 07:10 PM:name=Destined)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Destined @ Jul 28 2009, 07:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->If the runner is safe at first, but then is tagged (say he was in fair territory for instance after beating it out), it counts.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Or even if the runner is tagged out prior to making it to first, the run would count since it would be a tag out and not a force out.
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Wrong-o.
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if the runner on thrird scores before the batter is tagged, he's right-o.
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Completely, 100% wrong. As long as the batter puts the ball in play and makes an out before he gets to first base, whether he's tagged or someone touches first base, anything else that happens is irrelevent. Just because it's a force out doesn't mean the team is forced to touch the b
ase instead of tagging the batter to get that "force out." BTW, I can't believe this is an actual discussion, it's a basic rule.
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you know, it's entirely possible that you're right and we're wrong, but what makes me all fuzzy inside is how you like to make me feel like a total retard for being wrong. that's what i love. you not only correct my mistake, but you make me out to be a complete dumbass for even suggesting something. it's great.
instead of this:
no, i'm pretty knowlegeable on this subject and i'm 100% sure this is the rule.
i get this:
you are not only wrong, but i can't believe anyone would even think the way you do. are you stupid or something? in the history of baseball discussion, no one has EVER said anything so completely wrong. gosh, i'm so much smarter than you are.
thanks again for your input rubes. next time i'll just keep my thoughts to myself so as not to upset the intellectual banter that's so prevalent here.
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Sorry for being a condescending prick, how's this instead:
No, that's not correct. As long as the batter puts the ball in play and makes an out before he gets to first base, whether he's tagged or someone touches first base, anything else that happens is irrelevent. Just because it's a force out doesn't mean the team is forced to touch the base instead of tagging the batter to get that "force out." In the situation that Coldneck described, the umps really screwed the pooch. Here's an example that I hope will help:
Michael Bourn is on 3rd with 2 outs. Ivan Rodriguez is at the plate. Rodriguez hits a ball into deep short. Theriot fields the ball and throws to first. While the ball is in flight to first, Bourn, being speedy, crosses home. When the ball reaches first base, it's high and pulls Lee off the bag. Lee jumps and makes the catch. When he comes down, he tags Rodriguez on the back instead of touching the base with his foot. The end result is Rodriguez is out and the run does not score because Rodriguez made an out before he ever reached first base. Just because it's a force play, doesn't mean the only way to record that out and stop the run from scoring is by touching the bag.
Or even if the runner is tagged out prior to making it to first, the run would count since it would be a tag out and not a force out.
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Wrong-o.
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if the runner on thrird scores before the batter is tagged, he's right-o.
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Completely, 100% wrong. As long as the batter puts the ball in play and makes an out before he gets to first base, whether he's tagged or someone touches first base, anything else that happens is irrelevent. Just because it's a force out doesn't mean the team is forced to touch the b
ase instead of tagging the batter to get that "force out." BTW, I can't believe this is an actual discussion, it's a basic rule.
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you know, it's entirely possible that you're right and we're wrong, but what makes me all fuzzy inside is how you like to make me feel like a total retard for being wrong. that's what i love. you not only correct my mistake, but you make me out to be a complete dumbass for even suggesting something. it's great.
instead of this:
no, i'm pretty knowlegeable on this subject and i'm 100% sure this is the rule.
i get this:
you are not only wrong, but i can't believe anyone would even think the way you do. are you stupid or something? in the history of baseball discussion, no one has EVER said anything so completely wrong. gosh, i'm so much smarter than you are.
thanks again for your input rubes. next time i'll just keep my thoughts to myself so as not to upset the intellectual banter that's so prevalent here.
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Sorry for being a condescending prick, how's this instead:
No, that's not correct. As long as the batter puts the ball in play and makes an out before he gets to first base, whether he's tagged or someone touches first base, anything else that happens is irrelevent. Just because it's a force out doesn't mean the team is forced to touch the base instead of tagging the batter to get that "force out." In the situation that Coldneck described, the umps really screwed the pooch. Here's an example that I hope will help:
Michael Bourn is on 3rd with 2 outs. Ivan Rodriguez is at the plate. Rodriguez hits a ball into deep short. Theriot fields the ball and throws to first. While the ball is in flight to first, Bourn, being speedy, crosses home. When the ball reaches first base, it's high and pulls Lee off the bag. Lee jumps and makes the catch. When he comes down, he tags Rodriguez on the back instead of touching the base with his foot. The end result is Rodriguez is out and the run does not score because Rodriguez made an out before he ever reached first base. Just because it's a force play, doesn't mean the only way to record that out and stop the run from scoring is by touching the bag.