07-28-2009, 01:52 PM
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I played little league. But I never had to bunt a 95 mph fastball.
If bunting is the "easiest task on the planet," why do major league players fuck it up on a pretty regular basis?
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Don't be intentionally dense. You may not have had to bunt a 95 MPH fastball, but every professional player has. That is relative, and you know it.
He should have made contact. Everyone should have made contact. He's been bunting since he was 6. It's not like he was summoned to come in a pitch that inning.
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Whether he should have made contact (which he should have) is irrelevant though, he should have never been bunting in the first place.
Also, you guys are really over-simplifying the aspect of bunting. If it wasn't a difficult task to perform, major league players would be doing it with far more frequency than they do. After playing baseball for 15 years, I can tell you that there were many other skills which are far easier to perform than bunting (whether it's for a hit or as a sacrifice). Also, bunting in BP is not tantamount to bunting in a game situation, in fact, it's about the same as comparing playing long toss to trying to make a perfect relay throw to the plate to cut down a runner.
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Please don't tell me you actually think people aren't up there bunting all the time because it is a more difficult task to perform. That's grade A retarded. Maybe because it's an out most of the time. Or maybe because you can only do it when there is zero or one strike on you. Or maybe because Lee or Ramirez bunting would be a ridiculous waste of resources. Or maybe because bunting has always been purely situational, aside from the Juan Pierre's of the world. Or maybe because...there's a million more reasons why people don't bunt regularly and it's difficulty is not one of them.
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By that logic, and if the squeeze was the best play in that situation, shouldn't the Astros have been ready for it? Everyone was surprised by the call. Because it was retarded.
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Where did I say the squeeze was the best play in that situation?
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So...you're saying Lou made a bad call?
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Did I say that either? Are you surmising that with the absence of something said I must have thought it? Are you Miss Cleo now?
I've only been talking about Fontenot's inability to lay down a fucking bunt. Something that you feel is impossible for him to do, yet, Sean Marshall could go in a fucking lay one down.
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That's pretty much how I have been looking at this whole thing. For me, it's not about Lou's call for a squeeze. It is about Fontenot's ability to bunt the damn ball. If your manager calls for a sqeeze, whether it's the right call or not, you better put the damn bat on the ball. Especially if the pitch is right there.
I played little league. But I never had to bunt a 95 mph fastball.
If bunting is the "easiest task on the planet," why do major league players fuck it up on a pretty regular basis?
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Don't be intentionally dense. You may not have had to bunt a 95 MPH fastball, but every professional player has. That is relative, and you know it.
He should have made contact. Everyone should have made contact. He's been bunting since he was 6. It's not like he was summoned to come in a pitch that inning.
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Whether he should have made contact (which he should have) is irrelevant though, he should have never been bunting in the first place.
Also, you guys are really over-simplifying the aspect of bunting. If it wasn't a difficult task to perform, major league players would be doing it with far more frequency than they do. After playing baseball for 15 years, I can tell you that there were many other skills which are far easier to perform than bunting (whether it's for a hit or as a sacrifice). Also, bunting in BP is not tantamount to bunting in a game situation, in fact, it's about the same as comparing playing long toss to trying to make a perfect relay throw to the plate to cut down a runner.
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Please don't tell me you actually think people aren't up there bunting all the time because it is a more difficult task to perform. That's grade A retarded. Maybe because it's an out most of the time. Or maybe because you can only do it when there is zero or one strike on you. Or maybe because Lee or Ramirez bunting would be a ridiculous waste of resources. Or maybe because bunting has always been purely situational, aside from the Juan Pierre's of the world. Or maybe because...there's a million more reasons why people don't bunt regularly and it's difficulty is not one of them.
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By that logic, and if the squeeze was the best play in that situation, shouldn't the Astros have been ready for it? Everyone was surprised by the call. Because it was retarded.
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Where did I say the squeeze was the best play in that situation?
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So...you're saying Lou made a bad call?
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Did I say that either? Are you surmising that with the absence of something said I must have thought it? Are you Miss Cleo now?
I've only been talking about Fontenot's inability to lay down a fucking bunt. Something that you feel is impossible for him to do, yet, Sean Marshall could go in a fucking lay one down.
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That's pretty much how I have been looking at this whole thing. For me, it's not about Lou's call for a squeeze. It is about Fontenot's ability to bunt the damn ball. If your manager calls for a sqeeze, whether it's the right call or not, you better put the damn bat on the ball. Especially if the pitch is right there.