07-14-2009, 05:58 PM
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You're wrong. If Lee said that about Tom Glavine, I wouldn't have thought it was cool. And I certainly wouldn't have sucked his dick.
Then again, Lee wouldn't have said something like that about Glavine. Or Howard, for that matter.
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So Zambrano showing people up is ok? Sammy's HR hop was ok? ARam and Soriano staring at their HR's is ok?
You need to be a little less biased on this issue friend. If Pujols was a Cub and he said those things you would deal with it because he's a superstar and one of the best players in the game.
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Completely different issues.
1. Would I welcome Pujols with open arms if he were to magically get traded to the Cubs? You bet your ass I would. Doesn't mean he wouldn't remain a douchebag.
2. Zambrano screaming on the mound, Sammy's hop, ARam and Alf staring at their homers is in one category. It's kind of dickish, but nearly every player does it. Talking shit about the dude who just won the MVP because you're sour grapes is another. And I can't think of many players, other than Pujols, who does it. He's in a category all his own on that one, pal.
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If you watched basketball would LeBron be on your dickhead list as well then?
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Let's start over, because you've taken this off track.
Was the discussion ever: All Cubs players are fine, upstanding citizens. But on the flip-side, Albert Pujols is the only baseball player who is a douche? No. That was never my point.
A couple of people in this thread said that the only reason to hate Pujols is because he's a Cardinal. I disagreed. And I provided several pretty solid reasons to dislike him.
End of story.
I have no idea about LeBron. I've never seen him play basketball, read a quote from him, or seen him interviewed.
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In these 2 scenarios these things would be overlooked.
1) He wasn't a Cardinal
2) He wasn't a Cub killer and one of the best players on the planet.
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Do you think Mets fans or Phillies fans give two shits about his "Cub killer" status? How about Tom Glavine or Ryan Howard? Think they give a shit that he's a Cardinal or a Cub killer?
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I was saying they would be overlooked by you. Do you think you would give 2 shits if a Giant or an Angel said those things about Glavine or Howard? I doubt it.
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So...what's your point? Would it make what Pujols said any less dickheadish?
Are you trying to argue that I hate Pujols primarily because he's a Cardinal? Because I won't argue with you there. It's absolutely the number one reason I hate him. But he's also a douchebag, which certainly intensifies my hatred for him.
Again, I was responding to the folks who think Pujols is some sort of golden child and find it hard to dislike him. I was just pointing out the reasons that could potentially fan the hate embers.
The end.
You're wrong. If Lee said that about Tom Glavine, I wouldn't have thought it was cool. And I certainly wouldn't have sucked his dick.
Then again, Lee wouldn't have said something like that about Glavine. Or Howard, for that matter.
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So Zambrano showing people up is ok? Sammy's HR hop was ok? ARam and Soriano staring at their HR's is ok?
You need to be a little less biased on this issue friend. If Pujols was a Cub and he said those things you would deal with it because he's a superstar and one of the best players in the game.
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Completely different issues.
1. Would I welcome Pujols with open arms if he were to magically get traded to the Cubs? You bet your ass I would. Doesn't mean he wouldn't remain a douchebag.
2. Zambrano screaming on the mound, Sammy's hop, ARam and Alf staring at their homers is in one category. It's kind of dickish, but nearly every player does it. Talking shit about the dude who just won the MVP because you're sour grapes is another. And I can't think of many players, other than Pujols, who does it. He's in a category all his own on that one, pal.
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If you watched basketball would LeBron be on your dickhead list as well then?
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Let's start over, because you've taken this off track.
Was the discussion ever: All Cubs players are fine, upstanding citizens. But on the flip-side, Albert Pujols is the only baseball player who is a douche? No. That was never my point.
A couple of people in this thread said that the only reason to hate Pujols is because he's a Cardinal. I disagreed. And I provided several pretty solid reasons to dislike him.
End of story.
I have no idea about LeBron. I've never seen him play basketball, read a quote from him, or seen him interviewed.
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In these 2 scenarios these things would be overlooked.
1) He wasn't a Cardinal
2) He wasn't a Cub killer and one of the best players on the planet.
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Do you think Mets fans or Phillies fans give two shits about his "Cub killer" status? How about Tom Glavine or Ryan Howard? Think they give a shit that he's a Cardinal or a Cub killer?
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I was saying they would be overlooked by you. Do you think you would give 2 shits if a Giant or an Angel said those things about Glavine or Howard? I doubt it.
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So...what's your point? Would it make what Pujols said any less dickheadish?
Are you trying to argue that I hate Pujols primarily because he's a Cardinal? Because I won't argue with you there. It's absolutely the number one reason I hate him. But he's also a douchebag, which certainly intensifies my hatred for him.
Again, I was responding to the folks who think Pujols is some sort of golden child and find it hard to dislike him. I was just pointing out the reasons that could potentially fan the hate embers.
The end.