05-03-2009, 08:39 PM
<!--quoteo(post=35239:date=May 3 2009, 07:32 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ May 3 2009, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I don't think we need to retire any more numbers for a long time. Unless we develop a HOFer in the near future, there's no need to. I love both Grace and Dawson, but having your number retired is forever. I don't think they have earned it. Maddux probably didn't because his best years were in Atlanta, but I can at least live with it because he shared Fergie's number. Otherwise, I don't see the point.
But you can't start retiring the number of every All Star who's played for your team. It would lessen the honor.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I definitely agree with that. By my memory and from most people I've talked to about, Grace may have been the most adored Cub of the past couple decades (along with Dawson), and he was a very good player, but having your number retired is something special. You have to be Hall of Fame material, and even though I think Grace deserves more consideration than he got (leading a decade in hits is a terrific accomplishment), he's nowhere near the level of Santo, Ernie, Billy, Ryno, and Fergie/Maddux.
One could potentially make a case Sosa deserves it, but there's no way that happens with the way things ended. And if I had to choose one person from this team that has the best chance, I think if Ramirez sticks around for another 8 years and continues to rake and possibly lead the team to a pennant and beyond (all of which I think are within the realm of possibility), he'd be my guy.
But you can't start retiring the number of every All Star who's played for your team. It would lessen the honor.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I definitely agree with that. By my memory and from most people I've talked to about, Grace may have been the most adored Cub of the past couple decades (along with Dawson), and he was a very good player, but having your number retired is something special. You have to be Hall of Fame material, and even though I think Grace deserves more consideration than he got (leading a decade in hits is a terrific accomplishment), he's nowhere near the level of Santo, Ernie, Billy, Ryno, and Fergie/Maddux.
One could potentially make a case Sosa deserves it, but there's no way that happens with the way things ended. And if I had to choose one person from this team that has the best chance, I think if Ramirez sticks around for another 8 years and continues to rake and possibly lead the team to a pennant and beyond (all of which I think are within the realm of possibility), he'd be my guy.
The thing you need to remember is that all Cardinals fans and all White Sox fans are very bad people. It's a fact that has been scientifically proven beyond a shadow of a doubt. Being a Cubs fan is the only path to rightousness and piousness. Cardinal and White Sox fans exist to be the dark, diabolical forces that oppose us. They are the yin to our yang, the Joker to our Batman, the demon to our angel, the insurgence to our freedom, the oil to our water, the club to our baby seal. Their happiness occurs only in direct conflict with everything that is pure and good in this world.
-Dirk
-Dirk