04-15-2009, 05:16 PM
<!--quoteo(post=30603:date=Apr 15 2009, 04:04 PM:name=ruby23)-->QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 15 2009, 04:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30601:date=Apr 15 2009, 04:02 PM:name=bz)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bz @ Apr 15 2009, 04:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30599:date=Apr 15 2009, 03:54 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Apr 15 2009, 03:54 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=30589:date=Apr 15 2009, 03:26 PM:name=Andy)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Andy @ Apr 15 2009, 03:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->How many of you guys actually read the article? Given some of the responses, I don't think half of you read anything but "racist" and "Cubs fans".
Torii Hunter put the Cubs on his no-trade list because of things he had heard from other ball players about how Cubs fans treats black players. Cameron said it was the worst place he's been to. Dusty, Jones and Hawkins didn't just get insults, but got racial slurs and death threats. There's a huge difference between getting booed for being a shitty player and getting called, who knows what due to their race.
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This was basically all I was trying to say, but I never even mentioned a word about Cub fans, I was talking about the city in general. I don't think it's as inviting and racially tolerant as some of you seem to think it is.
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And you would be...
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If you wanna think so, but it's not like I don't have personal experiences and andecotal evidence to support my version either.
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I'm sure you have personal experiences and anecdotal evidence based on the handful of times you've been to Chicago. But don't go generalizing a whole city because you saw some bad things a few times. I'm in Chicago close to 50 times a year...anywhere from Lincoln Park to Hyde Park. Chicago happens to have some of the countries largest black, asian, hispanic, european and openly gay communities in the United States. Cram countless ethnicities, backgrounds, religions and orientations into relatively small area and you're bound to bump into assholes. Iowa has 3,000,000 people in 240 times the area of Chicago.
When it comes to being cultured and understanding of cultures and people, you are kind of in the back seat, dooder.
Torii Hunter put the Cubs on his no-trade list because of things he had heard from other ball players about how Cubs fans treats black players. Cameron said it was the worst place he's been to. Dusty, Jones and Hawkins didn't just get insults, but got racial slurs and death threats. There's a huge difference between getting booed for being a shitty player and getting called, who knows what due to their race.
I have absolutely no doubt that there are racist fans in every ball park. They either aren't as vocal at other stadiums or aren't as frequent.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
This was basically all I was trying to say, but I never even mentioned a word about Cub fans, I was talking about the city in general. I don't think it's as inviting and racially tolerant as some of you seem to think it is.
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And you would be...
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If you wanna think so, but it's not like I don't have personal experiences and andecotal evidence to support my version either.
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I'm sure you have personal experiences and anecdotal evidence based on the handful of times you've been to Chicago. But don't go generalizing a whole city because you saw some bad things a few times. I'm in Chicago close to 50 times a year...anywhere from Lincoln Park to Hyde Park. Chicago happens to have some of the countries largest black, asian, hispanic, european and openly gay communities in the United States. Cram countless ethnicities, backgrounds, religions and orientations into relatively small area and you're bound to bump into assholes. Iowa has 3,000,000 people in 240 times the area of Chicago.
When it comes to being cultured and understanding of cultures and people, you are kind of in the back seat, dooder.
If Angelo had picked McClellin, I would have been expecting to hear by training camp that kid has stage 4 cancer, is actually 5'2" 142 lbs, is a chick who played in a 7 - 0 defensive scheme who only rotated in on downs which were 3 and 34 yds + so is not expecting to play a down in the NFL until the sex change is complete and she puts on another 100 lbs. + but this is Emery's first pick so he'll get a pass with a bit of questioning. - 1060Ivy