03-28-2009, 03:21 AM
<!--quoteo(post=25501:date=Mar 28 2009, 01:17 AM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Mar 28 2009, 01:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=25500:date=Mar 28 2009, 02:07 AM:name=Fella)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fella @ Mar 28 2009, 02:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=25497:date=Mar 28 2009, 12:58 AM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Mar 28 2009, 12:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=25495:date=Mar 28 2009, 01:54 AM:name=Fella)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fella @ Mar 28 2009, 01:54 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=25494:date=Mar 28 2009, 12:50 AM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Mar 28 2009, 12:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Alf's weakness: has a real tough time getting on base.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
See, I think your getting a little ridiculous with that now, <b>a real tough time getting on base</b>? No way. I can agree he isn't the ideal .380 obp leadoff guy teams dream about, but his OBP has been very respectable in both of his seasons as a Cub, over the past 3 years his OBP is .345, the major league average is .330
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The MLB average is .340, and his career OBP is .329.
And that .340 includes pitchers and guys like Cedeno...for leadoff hitters, the average OBP is much higher.
So Alf is WELL below average at a leadoff hitters most important skill.
But here's the kicker: he's well above average at another extremely important skill...pounding home runs! I'm just saying that it'd be nice to have an occasional man aboard when he blasts a 400-footer.
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I'm assuming you got the .340 number off wikipedia? Its wrong, just sayin, the the 2007 league average was .330 and 2008 league average was .329. As for leadoff hitters the average obp was .341 for "most used leadoff hitter" on all teams last year. Sorianos .344 was above the league average.
So again, your being ridiculous about it. He is no where close to "WELL below average" you are pulling that out of your ass.
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Fella, if you want to call me an asshole, fine; we all adore personal insults, especially when backed up by erroneous facts, so keep it coming. You're on a roll.
The MLB OBP (obviously) fluctuates yearly. Lately, it's hovered from .334-ish to .342-ish.
Alf's career OBP is .329. That's a fact. It's a fact I gleaned from baseball-reference.com, not Wikipedia.
Dude, I love your Cub-love, but when defending Soriano, it's probably not in your best interests to bring up getting on base.
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C'mon Kabes, I'm not calling you an asshole, I just said you were pulling the stats out of your ass, big difference.
Also those numbers I used are from stats inc.
I've never said Soriano is a great on base guy or that he is an ideal leadoff guy, just that we win when he is there and he is not nearly as bad as you guys would have people believe.
See, I think your getting a little ridiculous with that now, <b>a real tough time getting on base</b>? No way. I can agree he isn't the ideal .380 obp leadoff guy teams dream about, but his OBP has been very respectable in both of his seasons as a Cub, over the past 3 years his OBP is .345, the major league average is .330
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The MLB average is .340, and his career OBP is .329.
And that .340 includes pitchers and guys like Cedeno...for leadoff hitters, the average OBP is much higher.
So Alf is WELL below average at a leadoff hitters most important skill.
But here's the kicker: he's well above average at another extremely important skill...pounding home runs! I'm just saying that it'd be nice to have an occasional man aboard when he blasts a 400-footer.
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I'm assuming you got the .340 number off wikipedia? Its wrong, just sayin, the the 2007 league average was .330 and 2008 league average was .329. As for leadoff hitters the average obp was .341 for "most used leadoff hitter" on all teams last year. Sorianos .344 was above the league average.
So again, your being ridiculous about it. He is no where close to "WELL below average" you are pulling that out of your ass.
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Fella, if you want to call me an asshole, fine; we all adore personal insults, especially when backed up by erroneous facts, so keep it coming. You're on a roll.
The MLB OBP (obviously) fluctuates yearly. Lately, it's hovered from .334-ish to .342-ish.
Alf's career OBP is .329. That's a fact. It's a fact I gleaned from baseball-reference.com, not Wikipedia.
Dude, I love your Cub-love, but when defending Soriano, it's probably not in your best interests to bring up getting on base.
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C'mon Kabes, I'm not calling you an asshole, I just said you were pulling the stats out of your ass, big difference.
Also those numbers I used are from stats inc.
I've never said Soriano is a great on base guy or that he is an ideal leadoff guy, just that we win when he is there and he is not nearly as bad as you guys would have people believe.