02-25-2009, 02:43 PM
<!--quoteo(post=20168:date=Feb 25 2009, 11:49 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Feb 25 2009, 11:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=20162:date=Feb 25 2009, 11:02 AM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Feb 25 2009, 11:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=20157:date=Feb 25 2009, 10:46 AM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Feb 25 2009, 10:46 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=20156:date=Feb 25 2009, 10:42 AM:name=KBwsb)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KBwsb @ Feb 25 2009, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=20152:date=Feb 25 2009, 10:13 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 25 2009, 10:13 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Yeah...but they're talking about a high school player and a college player. There's a world of difference between drafting someone right out of high school and drafting someone with a few years of college ball under their belts.
Anyway, Vitters will probably be pretty good (knock on wood), but you should never draft to fill a position on the field -- you just take the best guy available (which wasn't Vitters).
The draft that I'm really pissed about is still the Colvin pick. That was beyond moronic.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yet another pick that <b>at the time</b> seemed incredibly stupid. Hard to imagine it didn't work out. Well, at least the Cards took Colby Rasmus with the following pick.
Nothing to see here folks, move along.
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Rasmus is extremely overrated and actually kinda sucks, he and Colvin actually had very similar years last year, Colvin's may have even been better, but at AA instead of AAA. Look up the numbers.
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This is kind of unarguable. Ballplayers constantly surprise you, as CPatt and Geo Soto have proven (in opposite ways).
Still, Rasmus is usually considered among the Top 5 or 10 or so in practically everyone's list of best prospects, while Colvin would likely be rated at about # 387th.
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Which should be another indicator as to how much stock you can put into rankings. Production SHOULD mean more than rankings.
In 1998 BA's top prospect was Ben Grieve. #64 was Lance Berkman. #84 was David Ortiz.
Going through the 2001 top 25, I count a total of 5 guys who had any success with the team that drafted them. And that is counting Ichiro as a "prospect".
The point is, relying on these lists as if they have ALREADY proven something, is insane. Yes, it certainly looks like Wieters will be a stud. But it also looked like Patterson, Grieve, Travis Lee, and Ruben Mateo were going to be studs.
WHEN Weiters is a stud, and WHEN Vitters is proven to not be as good, you guys should brag all you want about how much smarter than Hendry you are. But we should probably let it happen FIRST, before we start sucking each other's dicks.
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bt is awesome. i try not to be on the opposite side of him in an argument whenever possible.
Anyway, Vitters will probably be pretty good (knock on wood), but you should never draft to fill a position on the field -- you just take the best guy available (which wasn't Vitters).
The draft that I'm really pissed about is still the Colvin pick. That was beyond moronic.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yet another pick that <b>at the time</b> seemed incredibly stupid. Hard to imagine it didn't work out. Well, at least the Cards took Colby Rasmus with the following pick.
Nothing to see here folks, move along.
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Rasmus is extremely overrated and actually kinda sucks, he and Colvin actually had very similar years last year, Colvin's may have even been better, but at AA instead of AAA. Look up the numbers.
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This is kind of unarguable. Ballplayers constantly surprise you, as CPatt and Geo Soto have proven (in opposite ways).
Still, Rasmus is usually considered among the Top 5 or 10 or so in practically everyone's list of best prospects, while Colvin would likely be rated at about # 387th.
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Which should be another indicator as to how much stock you can put into rankings. Production SHOULD mean more than rankings.
In 1998 BA's top prospect was Ben Grieve. #64 was Lance Berkman. #84 was David Ortiz.
Going through the 2001 top 25, I count a total of 5 guys who had any success with the team that drafted them. And that is counting Ichiro as a "prospect".
The point is, relying on these lists as if they have ALREADY proven something, is insane. Yes, it certainly looks like Wieters will be a stud. But it also looked like Patterson, Grieve, Travis Lee, and Ruben Mateo were going to be studs.
WHEN Weiters is a stud, and WHEN Vitters is proven to not be as good, you guys should brag all you want about how much smarter than Hendry you are. But we should probably let it happen FIRST, before we start sucking each other's dicks.
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bt is awesome. i try not to be on the opposite side of him in an argument whenever possible.
Wang.