02-12-2009, 10:25 PM
<!--quoteo(post=17715:date=Feb 12 2009, 08:21 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Feb 12 2009, 08:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=17707:date=Feb 12 2009, 07:32 PM:name=ruby23)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ruby23 @ Feb 12 2009, 07:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=17706:date=Feb 12 2009, 07:28 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 12 2009, 07:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=17696:date=Feb 12 2009, 05:50 PM:name=Fella)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fella @ Feb 12 2009, 05:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Kb my friend, you gotta stop using ERA+ to value closers, they ALL have high ERA+s, they pitch one inning, their job is to not allow runs. You did the same thing while evaluating Gregg and Wood. ERA+ is a starting pitcher stat.
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I'm not saying it's not a win, it doesn't belong with those other deals.
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Neither does the DeRosa deal. All of the others involve stars, or guys that were looked at as stars. DeRosa is not a star, he's a utility player.
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Well last year he hit 21 HR 87 RBI, scored 103 runs, and had a 118 OPS+ while playing 6 (six) position, all pretty well. I'd say that kind of year carries more star power than anything Juan Pierre, Victor Zambrano or Michael Bourne have ever done. In fact, you could make a pretty solid point that DeRosa is coming off a better year than ANY of the traded or signed players mentioned in the original post.
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Star power at time of deals: Zito > Lidge > Pierre > Kazmir > DeRosa. Be real here KB, the DeRosa trade is barely a blip on the MLB landscape. All of those other deals involved much higher profile (whether it was deserved or not) players than the trade of an aging utility player.
That said, I agree Lidge for Bourn was always a win for the Phillies from the start.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I'm not saying it's not a win, it doesn't belong with those other deals.
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Neither does the DeRosa deal. All of the others involve stars, or guys that were looked at as stars. DeRosa is not a star, he's a utility player.
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Well last year he hit 21 HR 87 RBI, scored 103 runs, and had a 118 OPS+ while playing 6 (six) position, all pretty well. I'd say that kind of year carries more star power than anything Juan Pierre, Victor Zambrano or Michael Bourne have ever done. In fact, you could make a pretty solid point that DeRosa is coming off a better year than ANY of the traded or signed players mentioned in the original post.
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Star power at time of deals: Zito > Lidge > Pierre > Kazmir > DeRosa. Be real here KB, the DeRosa trade is barely a blip on the MLB landscape. All of those other deals involved much higher profile (whether it was deserved or not) players than the trade of an aging utility player.