02-11-2009, 10:05 AM
<!--quoteo(post=17197:date=Feb 10 2009, 08:23 PM:name=PcB)-->QUOTE (PcB @ Feb 10 2009, 08:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=17054:date=Feb 10 2009, 10:17 AM:name=Rappster)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Rappster @ Feb 10 2009, 10:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->hPOD...awesome first post, and dead on.
If he had been truly sorry, he'd have come forward before he was outed...bingo...dead, straight-on.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's just dumb. Can a murderer not be sorry, but also be afraid of facing the consequences?
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Really, it's "just dumb?!" While yes, a murderer can be sorry for his actions, he's facing capital punishment or a life sentence for coming forward...these guys are not. You just compared lying/cheating in a pro sport to lying about murder. On this matter, the words apples and oranges comes to mind. In the 80's, when Happy Days went that far, they called it jumping the shark.
As to what you said before, I couldn't disagree with your opinion on the matter more. Allowing cheaters who skewed the 'curve' on what was possible in the game is completely insane. By your rational, we should keep them in the record books and allow them into the HoF despite the fact they <b>artificially</b> inflated their numbers via foreign substances which future generations of players can no longer use. The fact that future/current players can no longer use these same substances, which would be necessary to break these freakish records, is beyond unfair. Next you'll tell me that if someone wants to tape a metal pipe into their boxing gloves, the 20 second knockouts they score every match and their 90-0 record should remain intact after they're caught. Rediculous comparison, I know, but at least it's comparing apples to, uh...slightly bigger apples.
And if nobody has authority to put *'s in the record books, then maybe the commissioner should give someone authority. Comes to my attention that when the Black Sox threw the 1919 series, nobody had the authority to investigate them, either, so they created the commissioner position and gave him the power and authority to clean up baseball, and IIRC, they created that role out of thin air. Let's not forget that they BANNED those 8 men of the 1919 team -- for life -- for throwing the world series, and for good measure, they were banned from the HoF, too. I think we can do the same in this case when it comes to baseball and the use of illegal performance enhancing narcotics. You see, I say that so people can't bust out the very weak and often used, "well, it wasn't banned from baseball at the time", argument. The fact that they were considered illegal drugs by federal standards means they were, in essence, banned from baseball, too. Here, I'll jump the shark with my next example, just to drive my previous point home: The rulebook probably doesn't say, in specific, that a player can't run the bases wielding a handgun, shooting anyone in his path that tries to stop him from reaching home plate, either. But since that would be murder, hence illegal, I'll go out on a limb here and guess that this would also be considered against the rules. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]
I don't think these cheaters belong in the HoF, nor in any record book, and I'm sure that others out there share in that opinion. Also, they made millions upon millions of dollars through this, so let's not act like they're the poor victims here. The only ones who really lost in this were the fans, since their inflated numbers meant inflated ticket prices to cover their inflated salaries. They shit on everything we hold dear about this game, tainted the entire era in which I grew up, and for that, they can suck a fuck.
If he had been truly sorry, he'd have come forward before he was outed...bingo...dead, straight-on.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's just dumb. Can a murderer not be sorry, but also be afraid of facing the consequences?
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Really, it's "just dumb?!" While yes, a murderer can be sorry for his actions, he's facing capital punishment or a life sentence for coming forward...these guys are not. You just compared lying/cheating in a pro sport to lying about murder. On this matter, the words apples and oranges comes to mind. In the 80's, when Happy Days went that far, they called it jumping the shark.
As to what you said before, I couldn't disagree with your opinion on the matter more. Allowing cheaters who skewed the 'curve' on what was possible in the game is completely insane. By your rational, we should keep them in the record books and allow them into the HoF despite the fact they <b>artificially</b> inflated their numbers via foreign substances which future generations of players can no longer use. The fact that future/current players can no longer use these same substances, which would be necessary to break these freakish records, is beyond unfair. Next you'll tell me that if someone wants to tape a metal pipe into their boxing gloves, the 20 second knockouts they score every match and their 90-0 record should remain intact after they're caught. Rediculous comparison, I know, but at least it's comparing apples to, uh...slightly bigger apples.
And if nobody has authority to put *'s in the record books, then maybe the commissioner should give someone authority. Comes to my attention that when the Black Sox threw the 1919 series, nobody had the authority to investigate them, either, so they created the commissioner position and gave him the power and authority to clean up baseball, and IIRC, they created that role out of thin air. Let's not forget that they BANNED those 8 men of the 1919 team -- for life -- for throwing the world series, and for good measure, they were banned from the HoF, too. I think we can do the same in this case when it comes to baseball and the use of illegal performance enhancing narcotics. You see, I say that so people can't bust out the very weak and often used, "well, it wasn't banned from baseball at the time", argument. The fact that they were considered illegal drugs by federal standards means they were, in essence, banned from baseball, too. Here, I'll jump the shark with my next example, just to drive my previous point home: The rulebook probably doesn't say, in specific, that a player can't run the bases wielding a handgun, shooting anyone in his path that tries to stop him from reaching home plate, either. But since that would be murder, hence illegal, I'll go out on a limb here and guess that this would also be considered against the rules. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/biggrin.gif[/img]
I don't think these cheaters belong in the HoF, nor in any record book, and I'm sure that others out there share in that opinion. Also, they made millions upon millions of dollars through this, so let's not act like they're the poor victims here. The only ones who really lost in this were the fans, since their inflated numbers meant inflated ticket prices to cover their inflated salaries. They shit on everything we hold dear about this game, tainted the entire era in which I grew up, and for that, they can suck a fuck.