02-06-2009, 03:49 PM
<!--quoteo(post=16464:date=Feb 6 2009, 12:35 PM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 6 2009, 12:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=16463:date=Feb 6 2009, 01:27 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 6 2009, 01:27 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=16461:date=Feb 6 2009, 12:22 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 6 2009, 12:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=16460:date=Feb 6 2009, 01:20 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 6 2009, 01:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=16459:date=Feb 6 2009, 12:17 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Feb 6 2009, 12:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=16453:date=Feb 6 2009, 12:50 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Feb 6 2009, 12:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=16450:date=Feb 6 2009, 11:38 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Feb 6 2009, 11:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->everyone is finding it ironic that they're making a movie about a guy who's never won a thing. you brought up hendry, which was irrelevant to the conversation, and i pointed out the fact that no one is making a movie about him. hope that clarifies things a little.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Exactly. Beane's a good GM, so is Hendry. Should there be a movie about either of them? Absolutely not.
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I'm not saying a movie based on Moneyball should be made -- it shouldn't. But Beane, for better or for worse, has revolutionized the way people look at, analyze, <b>hell -- even play the game.</b> Hendry hasn't done anything like that at all. If you had to make a movie about one of them, you make it about Beane.
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No it hasn't.
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Yes he has.
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Who? Everybody just assumes that but the players don't talk about this. I don't think I've heard a single player say "OPS". They don't go up looking to walk. There's naturally been an emphasis of being more selective and waiting for your pitch to drive as the years went on, but I don't think <i>Billy Beane </i>changed the way these guys play the game. Most of them think this crap is bogus and that these stat geeks don't know what they're talking about.
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I'm not saying it's all due to Beane, but he's had an effect on the game -- including how it is played. Theo Epstein was a Beane-prodigy and the way he built the Red Sox team that won it all is indirectly due to Beane. I don't remember the exact stat, but that team swung at an incredibly low percentage of pitches outside the strike zone in the World Series. Far lower than any other team. I remember the discussion on Baseball Tonight. Think that philosophy just happened? Again -- it isn't all because of Beane, but his influence is there.
If you can't see it, I don't know what else to say.
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The team is BUILT differently, but the players aren't playing differently. Some of these guys teams found useless years ago now are getting the chances to play. Beane's had a great influence on the game and I'm a fan of him, I just don't think these players really care about him and all these sabermetric theories.
Really, if you approached the game as a player this way, you'd probably fail miserably. You'd end up thinking too much at the plate. What would Adam Dunn be if he didn't have prodigious power?
Again, Beane's had a huge influence on the game and changed the way fans and front offices view the game, but I don't think he's made a difference on the players. That's just my opinion.
Exactly. Beane's a good GM, so is Hendry. Should there be a movie about either of them? Absolutely not.
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I'm not saying a movie based on Moneyball should be made -- it shouldn't. But Beane, for better or for worse, has revolutionized the way people look at, analyze, <b>hell -- even play the game.</b> Hendry hasn't done anything like that at all. If you had to make a movie about one of them, you make it about Beane.
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No it hasn't.
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Yes he has.
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Who? Everybody just assumes that but the players don't talk about this. I don't think I've heard a single player say "OPS". They don't go up looking to walk. There's naturally been an emphasis of being more selective and waiting for your pitch to drive as the years went on, but I don't think <i>Billy Beane </i>changed the way these guys play the game. Most of them think this crap is bogus and that these stat geeks don't know what they're talking about.
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I'm not saying it's all due to Beane, but he's had an effect on the game -- including how it is played. Theo Epstein was a Beane-prodigy and the way he built the Red Sox team that won it all is indirectly due to Beane. I don't remember the exact stat, but that team swung at an incredibly low percentage of pitches outside the strike zone in the World Series. Far lower than any other team. I remember the discussion on Baseball Tonight. Think that philosophy just happened? Again -- it isn't all because of Beane, but his influence is there.
If you can't see it, I don't know what else to say.
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The team is BUILT differently, but the players aren't playing differently. Some of these guys teams found useless years ago now are getting the chances to play. Beane's had a great influence on the game and I'm a fan of him, I just don't think these players really care about him and all these sabermetric theories.
Really, if you approached the game as a player this way, you'd probably fail miserably. You'd end up thinking too much at the plate. What would Adam Dunn be if he didn't have prodigious power?
Again, Beane's had a huge influence on the game and changed the way fans and front offices view the game, but I don't think he's made a difference on the players. That's just my opinion.
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