01-21-2009, 01:44 AM
<!--quoteo(post=12708:date=Jan 20 2009, 11:10 PM:name=Runnys)-->QUOTE (Runnys @ Jan 20 2009, 11:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=12706:date=Jan 20 2009, 10:56 PM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Jan 20 2009, 10:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=12702:date=Jan 20 2009, 10:31 PM:name=Clapp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Clapp @ Jan 20 2009, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=12701:date=Jan 20 2009, 09:14 PM:name=Brock)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brock @ Jan 20 2009, 09:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=12695:date=Jan 20 2009, 09:16 PM:name=Tailgater)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tailgater @ Jan 20 2009, 09:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=12683:date=Jan 20 2009, 08:35 PM:name=cherp)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (cherp @ Jan 20 2009, 08:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Back to Pie...
I'm surprised the Cubs would go with Gaithright over Pie. Can someone explain to me what Joey G brings to the table that Pie doesn't have the potential to do? Neither are great hitters - both are fast. Neither gets great reads, both cover ground. Neither have much power, both can hit the gap.
After investing so much in developing Pie, I'm surprised they gave up on him now - even moreso that they did it and put Joey G in his spot.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hitting the gap, pie, g-spot? I just couldn't read that post without giggling like a junior high girl.
Seriously though, I think Hendry did the right thing here. He learned from the Corey Patterson experiment. Even if Joey doesn't do much, it can't be worse than Pie.
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He learned to wait too long on a guy before selling? Oh wait.
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If Hendry would've traded Pie last year, everybody would've bitched at him for giving up on Pie way too early. I would've been fine with dealing him last year, but we had plans of the guy being the starting centerfielder and there was reason to believe he could still be good. The Cubs figured like most of us did that Pie would start to shorten his swing and make some adjustments, and he never did. Looking back, sure, would've been nice to get a better package in return for him but you can't blame Hendry for seeing what Pie could do. Our centerfielders coming into last season were him and Reed(who we signed in ST). Giving the 23-year-old with all the talent in the world a chance over some scrub CF in free agency looked like the right thing to do.
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You can spin it any way you want but at the end of the day another hyped Cub prospect fizzled out and was traded for scraps. Like I said before, just another failure of the Cubs minor league system, and if the GM of the organization is not to blame for that then who are we to blame?
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If the pitchers we got for Pie are used to get Peavy then is it a bad trade? Also, I am not sure how you can say our minor league system has failed. Sure, we haven't really produced any stars...but without that minor league system we don't have Lee, Ramirez, Harden, Theriot. Too many people want to base the success of a minor league system on the stars they produce...I say F that, the minor league system should be based just as much on the stars they bring in!
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Getting Peavy will be the only way this (so far) mess of an offseason turns out well.
I don't think we disagree too much on the rest - of course the Lee + Ramirez acquisitions were good things. But does that mean our system is churning out quality talent like it should be? (Runnys - sure it's gotten better as of late especially on the pitching side of things but come on, before Soto how many quality position players has our system produced?)
On Harden - I'm not going to put that one down in the "win" column just yet, until he proves that he can stay somewhat healthy over an entire season. Theriot - if he's one of the better players out of the system lately I think that says a lot about its (lack of) success.
Glad to see you posting again, by the way.
Edit - I totally thought it was Payton I was responding to, sorry... been a long day.
I'm surprised the Cubs would go with Gaithright over Pie. Can someone explain to me what Joey G brings to the table that Pie doesn't have the potential to do? Neither are great hitters - both are fast. Neither gets great reads, both cover ground. Neither have much power, both can hit the gap.
After investing so much in developing Pie, I'm surprised they gave up on him now - even moreso that they did it and put Joey G in his spot.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Hitting the gap, pie, g-spot? I just couldn't read that post without giggling like a junior high girl.
Seriously though, I think Hendry did the right thing here. He learned from the Corey Patterson experiment. Even if Joey doesn't do much, it can't be worse than Pie.
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He learned to wait too long on a guy before selling? Oh wait.
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If Hendry would've traded Pie last year, everybody would've bitched at him for giving up on Pie way too early. I would've been fine with dealing him last year, but we had plans of the guy being the starting centerfielder and there was reason to believe he could still be good. The Cubs figured like most of us did that Pie would start to shorten his swing and make some adjustments, and he never did. Looking back, sure, would've been nice to get a better package in return for him but you can't blame Hendry for seeing what Pie could do. Our centerfielders coming into last season were him and Reed(who we signed in ST). Giving the 23-year-old with all the talent in the world a chance over some scrub CF in free agency looked like the right thing to do.
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You can spin it any way you want but at the end of the day another hyped Cub prospect fizzled out and was traded for scraps. Like I said before, just another failure of the Cubs minor league system, and if the GM of the organization is not to blame for that then who are we to blame?
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If the pitchers we got for Pie are used to get Peavy then is it a bad trade? Also, I am not sure how you can say our minor league system has failed. Sure, we haven't really produced any stars...but without that minor league system we don't have Lee, Ramirez, Harden, Theriot. Too many people want to base the success of a minor league system on the stars they produce...I say F that, the minor league system should be based just as much on the stars they bring in!
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Getting Peavy will be the only way this (so far) mess of an offseason turns out well.
I don't think we disagree too much on the rest - of course the Lee + Ramirez acquisitions were good things. But does that mean our system is churning out quality talent like it should be? (Runnys - sure it's gotten better as of late especially on the pitching side of things but come on, before Soto how many quality position players has our system produced?)
On Harden - I'm not going to put that one down in the "win" column just yet, until he proves that he can stay somewhat healthy over an entire season. Theriot - if he's one of the better players out of the system lately I think that says a lot about its (lack of) success.
Glad to see you posting again, by the way.
Edit - I totally thought it was Payton I was responding to, sorry... been a long day.