01-06-2009, 02:01 AM
<!--quoteo(post=9268:date=Jan 5 2009, 11:45 PM:name=KBwsb)-->QUOTE (KBwsb @ Jan 5 2009, 11:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->When dealing with players as old as Ibanez, it's not relevant to factor in how he did years ago. His age has a major effect on his fielding, especially his range. yeah, he had decent range in 2006. In 2006, Alf stole 41 bases. Think either of them are gonna match their '06 numbers next season?
Go look up the grades by The Fielding Bible for last year. Ibanez was the 3rd worst LFer in baseball according to their unbelievably thorough analysis. Worse than Manny. Dunn wasn't even listed in 2008 as being one of the bad LFers (although he <i>was</i> near the top/bottom of that list in previous years.)
It's a moot point as far as the Cubs are concerned. But I'd rather have the 28 year old, improving-with-the-glove Dunn in the field than the 37 year-old, quickly slipping Ibanez.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Adam Dunn is one of the worst outfielders I've ever seen, and the worst starting outfielder defensively in the game today. I don't care about the all holy fielding bibles' analysis of him. Frankly, I don't know how you can do much worse than having 8 errors in 140 games in the outfield, have just 5 assists, not be able to get to anything that's not hit right at you, and not be considered the worst or at least one of the worst outfielders in the league. And he's not improving out there, that's why people want him to be a DH or first baseman.
And Ibanez is "quickly slipping"? Okay [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] . I think he's fully capable of matching his 06 numbers, especially since he'll be going to a hitter's park behind guys that actually get on base. It's not like his last 2 seasons were bad.
By the way, Alf's basestealing isn't down so much because of his ability, it's because he got hurt and doesn't go 100% all the time anymore. That's his biggest problem in the outfield. He has the speed, it just looks like he's afraid to use it. I think it's all in his head now.
Go look up the grades by The Fielding Bible for last year. Ibanez was the 3rd worst LFer in baseball according to their unbelievably thorough analysis. Worse than Manny. Dunn wasn't even listed in 2008 as being one of the bad LFers (although he <i>was</i> near the top/bottom of that list in previous years.)
It's a moot point as far as the Cubs are concerned. But I'd rather have the 28 year old, improving-with-the-glove Dunn in the field than the 37 year-old, quickly slipping Ibanez.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Adam Dunn is one of the worst outfielders I've ever seen, and the worst starting outfielder defensively in the game today. I don't care about the all holy fielding bibles' analysis of him. Frankly, I don't know how you can do much worse than having 8 errors in 140 games in the outfield, have just 5 assists, not be able to get to anything that's not hit right at you, and not be considered the worst or at least one of the worst outfielders in the league. And he's not improving out there, that's why people want him to be a DH or first baseman.
And Ibanez is "quickly slipping"? Okay [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img] . I think he's fully capable of matching his 06 numbers, especially since he'll be going to a hitter's park behind guys that actually get on base. It's not like his last 2 seasons were bad.
By the way, Alf's basestealing isn't down so much because of his ability, it's because he got hurt and doesn't go 100% all the time anymore. That's his biggest problem in the outfield. He has the speed, it just looks like he's afraid to use it. I think it's all in his head now.
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