12-20-2010, 12:58 PM
<!--quoteo(post=123976:date=Dec 20 2010, 10:32 AM:name=Butcher)-->QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 20 2010, 10:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123950:date=Dec 19 2010, 06:56 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Dec 19 2010, 06:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123947:date=Dec 19 2010, 07:30 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 19 2010, 07:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Wow. The Brewers gave up jack shit to get him. We could have easily beat that deal. And I'd much rather have Greinke than Garza (if we're still looking to make that deal).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
I don't know about that - I think if the deal was for equivalent Cubs prospects (guys we know and have come to appreciate), we'd think it was a lot.
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From Crasnick:
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Kansas City's trade package for Greinke and shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt looks more like Mark Teixeira Lite. Moore got a shortstop (Alcides Escobar) who posted a .288 on base percentage last season, and a center fielder (Lorenzo Cain) with some ability, but no amazing, off-the-charts tool. He landed a young pitcher (Jake Odorizzi) who has lots of promise but spent 2010 in the Class A Midwest League, and another pitcher (former first-round draft pick Jeremy Jeffress) who served two suspensions for marijuana use in the minor leagues.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Unless Crasnick's analysis is wrong, it doesn't seem like the Brewers gave up all that much.
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It's not so much wrong, as everything he said is factual, but it's certainly slanted. I don't like Escobar much, but he was a top 10 prospect before last year, is only 23, and may have had some back luck BABIP-wise. He also can steal quite a few bases if he ever gets on base with any regularity.
Odorizzi did pitch in Class A, but he was outstanding there. It's like saying Hak-Ju Lee isn't a prospect because he did everything at the A level.
Jeffres is the real deal too. If he is done smoking pot, he could be a stud. But he's running out of time to prove that.
Regardless, it's not easy to get a starting CF, a starting SS (neither of which should embarass themselves, even if they don't become superstars), a top notch pitching prospect and a hugely talented (even if he is behaviorally stunted) pitcher, in any sort of deal. A comparable deal for the Cubs would start with McNutt and Lee, and 2 or 3 non-throw ins as well.
I don't know about that - I think if the deal was for equivalent Cubs prospects (guys we know and have come to appreciate), we'd think it was a lot.
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From Crasnick:
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->Kansas City's trade package for Greinke and shortstop Yuniesky Betancourt looks more like Mark Teixeira Lite. Moore got a shortstop (Alcides Escobar) who posted a .288 on base percentage last season, and a center fielder (Lorenzo Cain) with some ability, but no amazing, off-the-charts tool. He landed a young pitcher (Jake Odorizzi) who has lots of promise but spent 2010 in the Class A Midwest League, and another pitcher (former first-round draft pick Jeremy Jeffress) who served two suspensions for marijuana use in the minor leagues.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Unless Crasnick's analysis is wrong, it doesn't seem like the Brewers gave up all that much.
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It's not so much wrong, as everything he said is factual, but it's certainly slanted. I don't like Escobar much, but he was a top 10 prospect before last year, is only 23, and may have had some back luck BABIP-wise. He also can steal quite a few bases if he ever gets on base with any regularity.
Odorizzi did pitch in Class A, but he was outstanding there. It's like saying Hak-Ju Lee isn't a prospect because he did everything at the A level.
Jeffres is the real deal too. If he is done smoking pot, he could be a stud. But he's running out of time to prove that.
Regardless, it's not easy to get a starting CF, a starting SS (neither of which should embarass themselves, even if they don't become superstars), a top notch pitching prospect and a hugely talented (even if he is behaviorally stunted) pitcher, in any sort of deal. A comparable deal for the Cubs would start with McNutt and Lee, and 2 or 3 non-throw ins as well.
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