12-20-2010, 01:55 AM
<!--quoteo(post=123956:date=Dec 19 2010, 09:10 PM:name=Clapp)-->QUOTE (Clapp @ Dec 19 2010, 09:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123949:date=Dec 19 2010, 05:44 PM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Dec 19 2010, 05:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=123947:date=Dec 19 2010, 06:30 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Dec 19 2010, 06:30 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->...And I'd much rather have Greinke than Garza (if we're still looking to make that deal).<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Actually, I would rather have Garza long-term. That puts me in the minority, for sure, but that's fine. Greinke is mostly a high risk/high reward proposition. Not saying that I wouldn't take him in a heartbeat, but Garza has been steadier, more durable, and has balls. He still has plenty of upside, and will cost less.
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Yep. I highly preferred a Garza trade.
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I love you guys. Rok and Clapp are two of my favorite people.
But I can't let that one go by...it's just plain <i>absurd</i>.
Garza's best year ever (judging by ERA+) is 119, which is about what Greinke's <i>career</i> ERA+ stands at (116). It's true that Garza has been very steady. Greinke has not been; his second season he completely sucked, quit baseball, killed his career averages with that one hideous year, and then got put on medication.
Since then, he's been about the best pitcher in MLB. Maybe Halladay's better. Maybe Lincecum. Maybe. A year ago, Greinke's ERA+ was 205. How many other pitchers in MLB have ever put up that great a season?
That would be zero. Nobody is close. You have to go back to the primes of Pedro Martinez and Greg Maddux to find that spectacular a season. He's 26, the exact same age as Garza.
Garza WAR career: 9.8
Greinke WAR career: 22.8
You could even erase Greinke's Pedro-like Cy season, and he'd still have more career WAR than Garza.
We're talking about comparing a Derrek Lee-type guy (solid, steady) to an Albert Pujols-like guy (a little more than merely solid).
I seriously hate to think about what kind of year Greinke's going to put up in the NL, but it'll be similar to Hallday's, I would guess.
Actually, I would rather have Garza long-term. That puts me in the minority, for sure, but that's fine. Greinke is mostly a high risk/high reward proposition. Not saying that I wouldn't take him in a heartbeat, but Garza has been steadier, more durable, and has balls. He still has plenty of upside, and will cost less.
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Yep. I highly preferred a Garza trade.
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I love you guys. Rok and Clapp are two of my favorite people.
But I can't let that one go by...it's just plain <i>absurd</i>.
Garza's best year ever (judging by ERA+) is 119, which is about what Greinke's <i>career</i> ERA+ stands at (116). It's true that Garza has been very steady. Greinke has not been; his second season he completely sucked, quit baseball, killed his career averages with that one hideous year, and then got put on medication.
Since then, he's been about the best pitcher in MLB. Maybe Halladay's better. Maybe Lincecum. Maybe. A year ago, Greinke's ERA+ was 205. How many other pitchers in MLB have ever put up that great a season?
That would be zero. Nobody is close. You have to go back to the primes of Pedro Martinez and Greg Maddux to find that spectacular a season. He's 26, the exact same age as Garza.
Garza WAR career: 9.8
Greinke WAR career: 22.8
You could even erase Greinke's Pedro-like Cy season, and he'd still have more career WAR than Garza.
We're talking about comparing a Derrek Lee-type guy (solid, steady) to an Albert Pujols-like guy (a little more than merely solid).
I seriously hate to think about what kind of year Greinke's going to put up in the NL, but it'll be similar to Hallday's, I would guess.
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