08-31-2010, 07:54 PM
<!--quoteo(post=112948:date=Aug 31 2010, 10:02 AM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Aug 31 2010, 10:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=112941:date=Aug 31 2010, 09:44 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Aug 31 2010, 09:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=112940:date=Aug 31 2010, 09:39 AM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Aug 31 2010, 09:39 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=112927:date=Aug 31 2010, 08:01 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Aug 31 2010, 08:01 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=112924:date=Aug 31 2010, 07:32 AM:name=Coldneck)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coldneck @ Aug 31 2010, 07:32 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I love me some Z. It may not be pretty, but it's the results that count.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
That's exactly right. Maybe next year, with a good manager and possibly a good GM, we'll see the old Z. Or at the very least, maybe he'll be given more than 4 games to pitch out of whatever problems he may have.
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yeah, but now Colvin isn't playing well. And since we've determined that player performance is clearly based on who the manager is, does that mean we have to bring Lou back so Colvin will be better? But then what happens to Zambrano?
It's all so complicated.
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Is that really what you took out of that? That Zambrano sucked because Lou was the manager? Really?
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I just find it amazing how reluctant people are (not just you, not just about Zambrano) to pin the blame for poor play on the actual player. Aram has sucked this year. Not because Hendry gave him a big contract. Not because Lou batted him 3rd or 4th. Because he didn't play well. I blame ARam.
Zambrano has been up and down this year (although I think Ace makes some good points about his "ups"). I don't blame Hendry. I don't blame Lou. I blame Zambrano. now that he is doing better, I don't credit Quade. I don't credit Hendry. I credit Zambrano.
So I'm not overly concerned with who the manager and GM is next year, if we are discussing how well or poorly Zambrano will do. I'm concerned with Zambrano. It's up to him.
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I apologize for not being coherent. I thought we'd been through this argument enough times that bt would know exactly what I'm talking about. Scarey too. In fact, I still think that's the case.
But let me reword it so that it's perfectly clear: Hopefully next year we'll have management that will allow Zambrano to work through any problems he may have in the first 4 games of the upcoming season. You know, without overreacting and demoting him...after four games.
Wait a minute, that was kind of what I said at the end of my original post. Now I'm confused.
That's exactly right. Maybe next year, with a good manager and possibly a good GM, we'll see the old Z. Or at the very least, maybe he'll be given more than 4 games to pitch out of whatever problems he may have.
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yeah, but now Colvin isn't playing well. And since we've determined that player performance is clearly based on who the manager is, does that mean we have to bring Lou back so Colvin will be better? But then what happens to Zambrano?
It's all so complicated.
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Is that really what you took out of that? That Zambrano sucked because Lou was the manager? Really?
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I just find it amazing how reluctant people are (not just you, not just about Zambrano) to pin the blame for poor play on the actual player. Aram has sucked this year. Not because Hendry gave him a big contract. Not because Lou batted him 3rd or 4th. Because he didn't play well. I blame ARam.
Zambrano has been up and down this year (although I think Ace makes some good points about his "ups"). I don't blame Hendry. I don't blame Lou. I blame Zambrano. now that he is doing better, I don't credit Quade. I don't credit Hendry. I credit Zambrano.
So I'm not overly concerned with who the manager and GM is next year, if we are discussing how well or poorly Zambrano will do. I'm concerned with Zambrano. It's up to him.
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I apologize for not being coherent. I thought we'd been through this argument enough times that bt would know exactly what I'm talking about. Scarey too. In fact, I still think that's the case.
But let me reword it so that it's perfectly clear: Hopefully next year we'll have management that will allow Zambrano to work through any problems he may have in the first 4 games of the upcoming season. You know, without overreacting and demoting him...after four games.
Wait a minute, that was kind of what I said at the end of my original post. Now I'm confused.
Wang.