07-27-2010, 10:49 AM
<!--quoteo(post=108172:date=Jul 27 2010, 09:45 AM:name=vitaminB)-->QUOTE (vitaminB @ Jul 27 2010, 09:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108159:date=Jul 27 2010, 10:37 AM:name=veryzer)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (veryzer @ Jul 27 2010, 10:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108153:date=Jul 27 2010, 09:29 AM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 27 2010, 09:29 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Let me ask you guys a few questions.
On April 21, who was the worst starter in the Cubs 2010 rotation? Zambrano
On April 21, which starting pitcher had the best shot at shoring up the Cubs 8th inning problems? Zambrano.
Given those 2 facts, you have to come up with a reason NOT to take Zambrano out.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes. On April 21, Zambrano was absolutely the worst starter in the Cubs 2010 rotation. Silva and Gorz's two starts were fucking outstanding. In fact, they deserved the 2-start Cy Young award. They were that good.
I'll set aside Zambrano's emotional volatility for a moment and the reason is simple: you don't make decisions like this based on two starts. You don't give Gorz/Silva/Wells 130 more innings than Zambrano based on two starts. There's your reason.
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->The problem with that line of thinking is that the Cubs DID take his career into account. Not his 2007 season, but his 2009 season.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Other than his IP, his 2009 season was practically identical to his 2007 season. Did they take Gorz and Silva's 2009 seasons into account at all? Or just their first two starts of the 2010 season?
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That last line sums it all up for me. Done.
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8th inning was a fucking nightmare. We'd been through at least 2 setup guys with shitty results. The rotation is lights out except for Zambrano, who also happens to have the best "stuff". So you send Z to the bullpen until you can find a veteran releiver for the 8th. Thinking that by that time one of the rotation guys will have come back down to earth (Gorz, Wells) and the move will be made to put Z back in.
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Only, Lou and Hendry were saying that the move could be long-term and Z was saying that he was promised a return to the rotation sooner rather than later. I don't think anyone knows for sure, despite what Larry and Lou said after the fact, that they were doing this to allow Z to work through some issues and possibly strengthen the pen at the same time. I'm still not sure who to believe.
On April 21, who was the worst starter in the Cubs 2010 rotation? Zambrano
On April 21, which starting pitcher had the best shot at shoring up the Cubs 8th inning problems? Zambrano.
Given those 2 facts, you have to come up with a reason NOT to take Zambrano out.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Yes. On April 21, Zambrano was absolutely the worst starter in the Cubs 2010 rotation. Silva and Gorz's two starts were fucking outstanding. In fact, they deserved the 2-start Cy Young award. They were that good.
I'll set aside Zambrano's emotional volatility for a moment and the reason is simple: you don't make decisions like this based on two starts. You don't give Gorz/Silva/Wells 130 more innings than Zambrano based on two starts. There's your reason.
<!--quoteo-->QUOTE <!--quotec-->The problem with that line of thinking is that the Cubs DID take his career into account. Not his 2007 season, but his 2009 season.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Other than his IP, his 2009 season was practically identical to his 2007 season. Did they take Gorz and Silva's 2009 seasons into account at all? Or just their first two starts of the 2010 season?
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That last line sums it all up for me. Done.
<!--QuoteEnd--></div><!--QuoteEEnd-->
8th inning was a fucking nightmare. We'd been through at least 2 setup guys with shitty results. The rotation is lights out except for Zambrano, who also happens to have the best "stuff". So you send Z to the bullpen until you can find a veteran releiver for the 8th. Thinking that by that time one of the rotation guys will have come back down to earth (Gorz, Wells) and the move will be made to put Z back in.
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Only, Lou and Hendry were saying that the move could be long-term and Z was saying that he was promised a return to the rotation sooner rather than later. I don't think anyone knows for sure, despite what Larry and Lou said after the fact, that they were doing this to allow Z to work through some issues and possibly strengthen the pen at the same time. I'm still not sure who to believe.