07-26-2010, 10:36 PM
<!--quoteo(post=108079:date=Jul 26 2010, 04:40 PM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jul 26 2010, 04:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=108076:date=Jul 26 2010, 04:21 PM:name=Butcher)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Butcher @ Jul 26 2010, 04:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE <!--quotec-->Now you can argue with Hendry's evaluation of Zambrano's last 50 starts...To make a long story longer, you keep complaining because you feel that they yanked Zambrano after 4 bad starts, but that is pretty much the antithesis of what the Cubs did.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
If we're talking long view and we're really looking at last 50 starts, then you have to evaluate Zambrano's last 50 starts compared to Silva and Gorz's last 50 starts.
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Not to mention, for all this talk about Z's last 50 starts, do people even remember that on August 1, 2009, he was 7-4 with a 3.35 era before getting injured again? His 2008 saw a similar trend where he broke down late in the season after being in CY contention for most of the year (12-4 with a 2.76 era on August 3, 2008).
So I get a little tired of people talking about Z as though he's shown a steady decline since 2007. Look at the numbers and the <b>actual</b> trends in sequence, not what is perceived and what the likes of Sully would have everyone believe. It paints a different picture altogether.
I am still not ready to give up on him, sorry.
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Rok, injuries are not exculpatory. The reason a lot of people think Zambrano is steadily getting worse is because he has a ton of miles on his arm. More and more frequent breakdowns would back this theory up. So even if his numbers are down totally due to injury, that doesn't mean we can expect everything to turn around, because it's very likely that every pitch he throws is contributing to those injuries. In theory, they should just get worse as he gets older.
If we're talking long view and we're really looking at last 50 starts, then you have to evaluate Zambrano's last 50 starts compared to Silva and Gorz's last 50 starts.
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Not to mention, for all this talk about Z's last 50 starts, do people even remember that on August 1, 2009, he was 7-4 with a 3.35 era before getting injured again? His 2008 saw a similar trend where he broke down late in the season after being in CY contention for most of the year (12-4 with a 2.76 era on August 3, 2008).
So I get a little tired of people talking about Z as though he's shown a steady decline since 2007. Look at the numbers and the <b>actual</b> trends in sequence, not what is perceived and what the likes of Sully would have everyone believe. It paints a different picture altogether.
I am still not ready to give up on him, sorry.
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Rok, injuries are not exculpatory. The reason a lot of people think Zambrano is steadily getting worse is because he has a ton of miles on his arm. More and more frequent breakdowns would back this theory up. So even if his numbers are down totally due to injury, that doesn't mean we can expect everything to turn around, because it's very likely that every pitch he throws is contributing to those injuries. In theory, they should just get worse as he gets older.
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