07-23-2010, 01:01 PM
<!--quoteo(post=107481:date=Jul 23 2010, 11:09 AM:name=rok)-->QUOTE (rok @ Jul 23 2010, 11:09 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=107476:date=Jul 23 2010, 10:00 AM:name=vitaminB)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (vitaminB @ Jul 23 2010, 10:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=107465:date=Jul 23 2010, 10:23 AM:name=rok)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (rok @ Jul 23 2010, 10:23 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=107460:date=Jul 23 2010, 09:15 AM:name=Coach)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Coach @ Jul 23 2010, 09:15 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Probably because the "ace" of the staff shouldnt be regressing during his peak years.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
So just give up on the guy altogether after all these years? Do we have that much of a surplus of pitching where we can't allow one guy with an actual track record some time to work his shit out or make sure that he isn't hurting more than he lets on? I'm not defending his behavior at all, but I have a hard time believing that had any of our other SPs been jerked around like he's been the minute their performance suffered, that they'd be happy about it and deal with it professionally. Even Gorzelanny started crying when they moved him in and out of the rotation, and he by all accounts isn't insane.
Again, as much as we complain about him, Z has never had a poor season (and that includes 2009) until now.
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You can say he's never had a poor season, but the reality is that he's gotten progressively worse since signing his last contract. He is not pitching like an ace, and he's getting paid like one. I was at his opening day start this year. He had a call that didn't go his way, and then he mentally shut it down after that. It was embarrassing, and not what you would expect from a "front of the rotation" guy.
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People love to bring up evidence like this as if it explains anything. That doesn't help anyone figure out what is actually wrong with the guy. If there is a trend, I want to know what (in his arm or shoulder not his head) is causing him to not live up to people's expectations. I know he hasn't been great, but to say that he's been terrible just because he hasn't lived up to what you or anyone else (myself included) expects out of him, doesn't really mean a whole lot when you put things into perspective. Fix him. That's all I care about. If you can't then we need to send him elsewhere.
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What are you a social worker? Don't you think Larry and Lou have tried to "fix" him? I don't care about his problems. I care about his results.
So just give up on the guy altogether after all these years? Do we have that much of a surplus of pitching where we can't allow one guy with an actual track record some time to work his shit out or make sure that he isn't hurting more than he lets on? I'm not defending his behavior at all, but I have a hard time believing that had any of our other SPs been jerked around like he's been the minute their performance suffered, that they'd be happy about it and deal with it professionally. Even Gorzelanny started crying when they moved him in and out of the rotation, and he by all accounts isn't insane.
Again, as much as we complain about him, Z has never had a poor season (and that includes 2009) until now.
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You can say he's never had a poor season, but the reality is that he's gotten progressively worse since signing his last contract. He is not pitching like an ace, and he's getting paid like one. I was at his opening day start this year. He had a call that didn't go his way, and then he mentally shut it down after that. It was embarrassing, and not what you would expect from a "front of the rotation" guy.
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People love to bring up evidence like this as if it explains anything. That doesn't help anyone figure out what is actually wrong with the guy. If there is a trend, I want to know what (in his arm or shoulder not his head) is causing him to not live up to people's expectations. I know he hasn't been great, but to say that he's been terrible just because he hasn't lived up to what you or anyone else (myself included) expects out of him, doesn't really mean a whole lot when you put things into perspective. Fix him. That's all I care about. If you can't then we need to send him elsewhere.
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What are you a social worker? Don't you think Larry and Lou have tried to "fix" him? I don't care about his problems. I care about his results.