07-15-2010, 10:19 PM
<!--quoteo(post=105708:date=Jul 15 2010, 09:06 PM:name=BT)-->QUOTE (BT @ Jul 15 2010, 09:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=105696:date=Jul 15 2010, 07:45 PM:name=Ace)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Ace @ Jul 15 2010, 07:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec--><!--quoteo(post=105692:date=Jul 15 2010, 08:13 PM:name=BT)--><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BT @ Jul 15 2010, 08:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->I'd say that it seems pretty obvious that at worst, the Cubs offer was comparable to the Padres and White Sox, and there seems to be no evidence that it was excessive.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->
Assuming:
(1) the early reports of a comparable White Sox offer were legit;
(2) we're taking hindsight completely out of the equation; and
(3) you were in favor of signing Fuk in the first place (in which case, if you were opposed, signing him for more than ten bucks would have been excessive).
Shrug. I thought the deal sucked balls when it was signed, and I think it didn't take long for that to be confirmed.
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Those are all arguable, but I was just replying to your statement that no one offered more than 40. Unless his agent was lying AFTER making the deal, it sounds like other teams were in for 48 or more. Plus, I'd have to assume that Kenny William's massive ego wouldn't let the idea of a guy turning down the Sox to take LESS money with the Cubs stand if it weren't true.
I was all for signing Fuk. There were plenty of bad Japanese signings, but I was hoping for another Matsui or Ichiro, in the sense that he could make the transition. I didn't for a minute think he would be as great as those guys, but I had modest expectations for him. I was thinking a good to great OBP and 15 home runs, with some good defense to boot.
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The problem is the weight applied to every signing. Those who dislike a GM are going to jump up and down with "I told you so's" when the player turns out to be mediocre, and those who like him are going to call him a genius when the player works out.
Every signing is a risk. When you start throwing around those kinds of dollars, you've always got an excellent chance of striking out...
When you isolate one or two signings...it's easy to make a case in one direction or another. More big picture, please...
And no...I will not stop talking like this.
Assuming:
(1) the early reports of a comparable White Sox offer were legit;
(2) we're taking hindsight completely out of the equation; and
(3) you were in favor of signing Fuk in the first place (in which case, if you were opposed, signing him for more than ten bucks would have been excessive).
Shrug. I thought the deal sucked balls when it was signed, and I think it didn't take long for that to be confirmed.
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Those are all arguable, but I was just replying to your statement that no one offered more than 40. Unless his agent was lying AFTER making the deal, it sounds like other teams were in for 48 or more. Plus, I'd have to assume that Kenny William's massive ego wouldn't let the idea of a guy turning down the Sox to take LESS money with the Cubs stand if it weren't true.
I was all for signing Fuk. There were plenty of bad Japanese signings, but I was hoping for another Matsui or Ichiro, in the sense that he could make the transition. I didn't for a minute think he would be as great as those guys, but I had modest expectations for him. I was thinking a good to great OBP and 15 home runs, with some good defense to boot.
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The problem is the weight applied to every signing. Those who dislike a GM are going to jump up and down with "I told you so's" when the player turns out to be mediocre, and those who like him are going to call him a genius when the player works out.
Every signing is a risk. When you start throwing around those kinds of dollars, you've always got an excellent chance of striking out...
When you isolate one or two signings...it's easy to make a case in one direction or another. More big picture, please...
And no...I will not stop talking like this.