Hendry's Failures...

[Scarey]

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Interesting. Do you think any GM (sabre-minded or not) would trade 2008 Marmol for 2008 Marquis, straight up? Remove salary from the equation.

I'm thinking not, but I suppose I could be wrong.

Sort of makes me question the value of WAR as a metric...
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They might. You'd have to ask them. Is 87 innings of really good pitching more valuable to a team over the course of a season than 166 innings of decent pitching ? I don't think the answer is as clear cut as you do.
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I'll start making some calls.

How about this. Would <b>you</b> trade 2008 Marmol for 2008 Marquis, straight up? Remove salary and age from the equation.
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If you were building a team from scratch and given the choice between a lockdown set up man or an OK rubber armed pitcher, which would you choose?
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I'd take Marmol.
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Everyone would take Marmol. It's not even a question. But, that's not the point of WAR. Me stating that's not the point of WAR is not defending Hendry signing Marquis either.